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Old 03-11-2009, 01:53 AM
 
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Does that mean a person driving a car without a drivers license cannot be called a "unlicensed driver"?

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I think they are okay with all the "un" words such as undocumented. It it words like "alien" that I think are innapropriate. I know people who are legal in this country and their cards read "permanent resident alien". Not cool. Why not just legal resident? They didnt come from Mars.
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Old 03-11-2009, 02:07 AM
 
Location: Where laws can be ignored due to political correctness
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They didnt come from Mars.
Alien is a term that can refer to anything, as well as ANY person, that/who is from a foreign territory be it from another country or from outer space despite the fact that it's largely been connotated with outer space due to non-fiction scientific and science fiction media.

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Old 03-11-2009, 02:17 AM
 
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Alien is a term that can refer to ANY person who is from a foreign territory be it from another country or from outer space despite the fact that it's largely been connotated with outer space due to non-fiction scientific and science fiction media.
I have never heard any other country use that term in that context. What makes us special?
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Old 03-11-2009, 02:23 AM
 
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I have never heard any other country use that term in that context. What makes us special?
In many legal situations the government will always choose to use terms that are as specific as possible in order to avoid any ambiguity. Legal language plays a significant part in this situation as well.
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Old 03-11-2009, 02:28 AM
 
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Which is why it was suggested to the courts to use alternate words that are still very specific and that avoid ambiguity.
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Old 03-11-2009, 02:47 AM
 
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Which is why it was suggested to the courts to use alternate words that are still very specific and that avoid ambiguity.
The term "alien" has been used to describe foreigners for a long time before it became largely connotated with non-fictional & fictional science media. It's very much reasonable and suitable to use it to describe foreign trespassers.

Trying to substitute certain terms for other terms is a common legal tactic that's used to mitigate the effect of any actions committed by a defendant.
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:11 AM
 
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Hell: even the DREAM Act has the word 'Alien' in its title.

Yet I hear no squawks from the pro illegal side about that.
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:14 AM
 
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So is it true or is it false? Which one do you believe?

These banned terms only apply to the AZ courts, from what I gather in the link provided. It does not mean the entire nation. I believe it is a step in the right direction when determining if the defendant is guilty or innocent. When using those negative terms it can influence people to side on "guilty" even before a trial. It can also influence the courts to throw the whole law book vs giving a fair sentence.

What is the problem with that? If he is guilty, he will serve his time and then get deported. If he is innocent of all charges, he will be released on the other side of the border.
Point well taken.

Flip side: Arizona is quite unfriendly towards illegals now as it is.

I live here and see far fewer Spanish speakers compared to late 2007. The cold reality is (was) that about 85% of all illegals do hail from either Mexico or Central America.
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Old 03-11-2009, 09:24 AM
 
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The term "alien" has been used to describe foreigners for a long time before it became largely connotated with non-fictional & fictional science media. It's very much reasonable and suitable to use it to describe foreign trespassers.

Trying to substitute certain terms for other terms is a common legal tactic that's used to mitigate the effect of any actions committed by a defendant.
Absolutely....PC is often used when the simple truth 'hurts'. Some years ago, before illegal immigration got REALLY controversial, many of our local Southern California newspapers (including the Catholic papers) insisted on using the term "undocumented workers" to describe ANY illegal. This lasted a few years, but eventually I suppose it just got too 'silly', using a term like 'workers' to decribe entire extended families....and the term was eventually dropped for the even MORE PC term "immigrants".

"Alien" has been a term used in US society for at least a century. The Post Office used to have signs in the lobby advising "Resident Aliens" to register each year....and even the US border crossings had signs posted instructing different papers required of "US citizens, non US-citizens, and Resident Aliens".

"Alien" is no more pejorative a term than 'foreign' or 'non-citizen'. (Of course, today, I suppose they BOTH cause hurt feelings...but that's just our PC culture).
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Old 03-11-2009, 11:17 AM
 
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Does that mean a person driving a car without a drivers license cannot be called a "unlicensed driver"?

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No he just can;t be called a illegal. Maybe the judge would prefer to use the word Criminal immigrant.
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