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Old 03-11-2009, 11:26 AM
 
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No he just can;t be called a illegal. Maybe the judge would prefer to use the word Criminal immigrant.
And that is the kind of attitude that will not give someone a fair trial. You have already convicted him without a trial. In your mind he is already a criminal.
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Old 03-11-2009, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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And that is the kind of attitude that will not give someone a fair trial. You have already convicted him without a trial. In your mind he is already a criminal.
The cold reality is that most illegal aliens age 18+ are indeed crminals factoring in false SSN's etc. That alone is a Felony.
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Old 03-12-2009, 04:22 AM
 
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Absolutely....PC is often used when the simple truth 'hurts'. Some years ago, before illegal immigration got REALLY controversial, many of our local Southern California newspapers (including the Catholic papers) insisted on using the term "undocumented workers" to describe ANY illegal.
You are right the truth hurts. It hurts not just emotionally but also socially. Socially it hurts when a great number of people of the same ethnicity are given longer sentences than they deserved, singled out, etc. PC terms evolve and change to more PC terms.

Take for example the word "retardation". It was PC back when...now it is mentally challenged. Some people who are disabled hate to be called "disabled". They dont want to be seen as useless. They prefer, "a person with a disability" because it put them as a human, an individual first and then their disability comes second. There are so many examples of former PC terms that have been changed, I am sure these will also evolve with time but hey, sometimes life is about changes and if this term is going to make a difference in minimizing prejudice, then I say...go for it!
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Old 03-12-2009, 05:15 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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You are right the truth hurts. It hurts not just emotionally but also socially. Socially it hurts when a great number of people of the same ethnicity are given longer sentences than they deserved, singled out, etc. PC terms evolve and change to more PC terms.

Take for example the word "retardation". It was PC back when...now it is mentally challenged. Some people who are disabled hate to be called "disabled". They dont want to be seen as useless. They prefer, "a person with a disability" because it put them as a human, an individual first and then their disability comes second. There are so many examples of former PC terms that have been changed, I am sure these will also evolve with time but hey, sometimes life is about changes and if this term is going to make a difference in minimizing prejudice, then I say...go for it!

Huge difference, one group is breaking laws the other was born with a handicap but one thing you've pointed out is that no matter what some group is being called they aren't going to like it if it correctly identifies them. For that there is no cure.
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Old 03-12-2009, 09:42 AM
 
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Huge difference, one group is breaking laws the other was born with a handicap but one thing you've pointed out is that no matter what some group is being called they aren't going to like it if it correctly identifies them. For that there is no cure.
I agree. There's 'nice' PC, and there's 'silly' PC. It's prefectly OK to call a person 'physically challenged', instead of 'crippled'. Fine with me, and it makes a much nicer society. The problem is, PC, in its relentless quest to make things seem 'nice', quickly goes from the 'decent' to the 'sappy', to the ridiculous....and thus, we see an abusive, wife-beating, sadistic bully, and he's spoken of as "a gentleman with anger-management issues". I don't care WHAT you say, that stuff is just SILLY. It insults MY intelligence, (and yours as well), it completely 'glosses over' the problem, and it totally trashes the definition of 'gentleman'. It's a JOKE.

By all means, get rid of hurtful expressions. Let's hear no more racial slurs, sexist 'barbs', etc etc. But an illegal alien is STILL an alien, and he's STILL illegal..he's not an 'immigrant'; he MAY be a 'worker' (aren't we ALL ?); and he may be 'undocumented'....(OK, so is a person driving an unregistered car..or with no drivers license)....but we don't call these people 'undocumented drivers', do we? And we don't call shoplifters 'non-paying customers', either (unless we're being 'funny').

PC is a fine thing when it takes the 'hurt' out of public conversation. When it begins to alter the MEANING of what's being discussed, it's harmful.
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Old 03-12-2009, 12:34 PM
 
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I think they are okay with all the "un" words such as undocumented. It it words like "alien" that I think are innapropriate. I know people who are legal in this country and their cards read "permanent resident alien". Not cool. Why not just legal resident? They didnt come from Mars.
alien

noun

a foreigner, esp. one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living : an illegal alien.
• a hypothetical or fictional being from another world.
• a plant or animal species originally introduced from another country and later naturalized.
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