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Old 03-11-2009, 09:35 PM
 
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By the taxpayers subsidizing illegals I'm talking about the bankrupt Hospitals, the overcrowded ruined schools, the cost of incarcerating illegals, the loss of tax revenue when non taxpaying illegals displace taxpaying citizens, illegally obtained welfare in the billions, etc. By using universal mandatory e-verification, with massive fines to any company illegally hiring illegals, and strictly barring the illegals from obtaining welfare, the majority of illegals wouldn't be able to support themselves in this country and would have to self deport themselves back to......Mexico.
AND YOUR RIGHT...
by not obtainiing welfare ....the majority of illegals...would not be able to support themselves...of course not...
there already receiving a disgrace of a paycheck without benefits....
but the good thing is that karma is a "the four letter word"
with all those trillions
flowing in .THANKS TO obama......and causing a big inflation will obligate
highly subsidie incompetitive high school students
doing chores....cheap human robots used to do...

america lived beyond her means anyway...truthfully could not support
those cheap robots anyway....thats why
its all bankrupt...
and I dont think 5% of the population created all this disaster....

it was all those consumers buying foreign cars....toyotas..nissans...
clothes...toys...ect..ect....and just paying in PLASTIC...
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Old 03-11-2009, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Lake Norman, North Carolina
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The companies are rarely fined, although it is illegal to hire undocumented workers. Reagan made sure to leave employers an out in his 1986 amnesty bill (that was amnesty, Republicans, not the earned legalization being talked about today. But we won't talk about REAGAN"S amnesty, now will we, Republicans?) Under his law, the employer is not charged with being an expert in the validity of documents. Show anything, show a green card written in crayola, the employer makes a copy of it and is off the hook. That is not by accident, Republicans. So, the so called "illegal" gets the blame and takes the heat, not Mr. Employer.

And under Bush, workplace prosecution of the employers was almost nothing.
Thanks for the history lesson. TODAY, however, the Republican politicians are fighting illegal immigration while the Democratic politicians are fighting the Republican politicians fighting illegal immigration. Where's your outrage at Harry a$$ and queen byatch Pelosi pulling the E-verify requirement for any company receiving stimulus money? Huh?
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Old 03-11-2009, 09:59 PM
 
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Thanks for the history lesson. TODAY, however, the Republican politicians are fighting illegal immigration while the Democratic politicians are fighting the Republican politicians fighting illegal immigration. Where's your outrage at Harry a$$ and queen byatch Pelosi pulling the E-verify requirement for any company receiving stimulus money? Huh?
there pointing fingers "republicans" ......
republicans fighting illegals..?
againg how many companies
were they fined....
during old bush....and bush....
presidencies? youre talking about 12 years?
and the one that was representing
the republican ticket was for pro amenesty wasnt he?

now isnt illegal immigration a republican problem..reagan....pass the last amnesty knowing well that those 6 million were going to attract 12 to 20 million.....
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:03 PM
 
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Default corruption...

corruption...corruption
corruption...from the elites...
from all the way you see...it....

the companies that finance their campaigns...
corrupted as well...

and when times get tough...

illegals..illegals....illegals....are the problem....
they havent done their homework in the last 20 years...
neither govermnet..nor citizens..now
they want to just
jank...pull it out..like it was a 1 year problem..lol
with that mentality...
no serious reforms...
are going to get thru....
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Old 03-12-2009, 10:50 AM
 
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youre right and tell me again were companies fine in
1987? give me numbers..
1988?
1989?
1990?
91.92.93.94.95.96.97.98.99.00.01.02.03.04.05.06.07 .08.09

could you have imagined all the fines and subsidies that companies received? by not paying there share of cost that illegals created?
again not illegals fault and I can assure you that
a lot do pay taxes if they work for a company that at the end of the term
provide you with a w-2 at the end of the year...

now I think that the corporations did these to stay competitive as a business and not having to relocate to china, or some other cheap labor country....so the taxpayer has not lost billions like they tend to exagerated....because if the elites pay HALF OF FEDERAL TAXES...cant
imagine what an elite highly subsidied company generated....in income
in exports....
they just mass so much capital....to reinvest..and stay on top...
and again it just shows you
how some people think...
"call animal control" lol....
we vote...consume is like voting as well...
america is at his own default for not enforcing laws...
not
ILLEGALS...
YOU are the one who referred to illegals as animals, calling them 'pets'.

Quote:
is like illegals where the pets of the elites...but since the elites have gone bankrupt with all of this...
there just going to leave their human pets...in the lanscape of america to fend for themselves....
Your attempts to absolve illegal aliens and Mexico of any blame for the current situation in the US have become ridiculous, IMO. This is like an alcoholic who is constantly falling down drunk repeatedly insisting that he does not have a problem, despite all evidence to the contrary. It is just too easy for Mexico (the main supplier of illegal aliens) to blame the US for the illegal alien situation- the gringo stole our land, companies 'invite' them here with jobs, your border is too easy to cross, once we are here you give us food and medical care instead of letting us starve to death or die in the streets so of course we are going to stay!No change will come about until that person or that country admits they have a problem. The US throwing billions of dollars at Mexico will not change a thing.

The worst thing that ever happened to Mexico is having a well to do neighbor to the north. You see, if the US was not here to take in their millions of unskilled, impoverished citizens, maybe they would have stayed in Mexico. If the Mexican government had to deal with millions of very unhappy people instead of shipping them north, maybe some positive changes would have come about. Instead, Mexico uses the US as a safety valve and things go on the way they always have.
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Old 03-12-2009, 10:53 AM
 
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corruption...corruption
corruption...from the elites...
from all the way you see...it....

the companies that finance their campaigns...
corrupted as well...

and when times get tough...

illegals..illegals....illegals....are the problem....
they havent done their homework in the last 20 years...
neither govermnet..nor citizens..now
they want to just
jank...pull it out..like it was a 1 year problem..lol
with that mentality...
no serious reforms...
are going to get thru....
And what, SPECIFICALLY, might these 'serious reforms' be?
Focus on this question and stay on subject. I am not interested in a rant, you have done plenty of complaining- what do you propose should be done?
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Old 03-12-2009, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Not enough were fined. Its that simple. It should be a mandatory 10 grand per occurance or incident plus cost to deport.That would include joe to cheap to hire a licenced contractor, legal citizen etc. But lets not forget the multitude of ACLU law suits and legeslation sponcered by both parties that made it next to impossible for employers to verify legal status. Bottom line is that our immigration laws are more than fair when compared to most other countries. We don't owe a free pass to anyone or everyone who seeks a visa. If the applicant is denied they should abide by the decision not simply ignore the decision and laws. This is what makes illegals as bad as any other common criminal. Its the same mind set. I don't care about laws, I only care about what feels right to me. Then to grant amnesty for such mentality is an insult to anyone who obeys the laws. Deport them all. Make the nation of origin foot the bill. Take it out of the foreign aid or place tariffs on their products.
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