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Old 03-23-2007, 07:24 AM
 
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Old 03-23-2007, 07:43 AM
 
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I'm just so happy that two nationalities that are not American can fight their war on the streets of an American city...Only in America!

MS-13 are the foot soldiers/mersonarys for the Mexican Government.
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Old 03-23-2007, 08:27 AM
 
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Default hard workers

But everyone keeps saying that illegals are just looking for a better life and are hard workers? all this other stuff must be our imagination...
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Old 03-23-2007, 01:11 PM
 
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I'm just so happy that two nationalities that are not American can fight their war on the streets of an American city...Only in America!

MS-13 are the foot soldiers/mersonarys for the Mexican Government.
They're not even Mexican, but they wouldn't exist if the US hadn't decide to stick its nose in the political disputes in their countries (which were wholly internal affairs). Like Al Qaeda, they are a product of Reagan era foreign policy "blowback". Wonder if there'll be an Iraqi "MS13" in a few years?
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Old 03-23-2007, 01:31 PM
 
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Not impressed. This is simply an unsubstantiated "article" calculated to raise fear and concern over vague threats of "anarchy in the streets."

As for the concerns about gangs like MS-13; they are not some product of the "Reagan foreign policy blowback," nor are they mercenaries of the Mexican government. They are simply the outcome of third world societies, where small bands of exceedingly brutal groups use fear and terror to achieve their ends. This phenomenon is worldwide.
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Old 03-23-2007, 02:13 PM
 
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Not impressed. This is simply an unsubstantiated "article" calculated to raise fear and concern over vague threats of "anarchy in the streets."

As for the concerns about gangs like MS-13; they are not some product of the "Reagan foreign policy blowback," nor are they mercenaries of the Mexican government. They are simply the outcome of third world societies, where small bands of exceedingly brutal groups use fear and terror to achieve their ends. This phenomenon is worldwide.
I guess then its OK...come on in gangs
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Old 03-23-2007, 02:39 PM
 
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Not impressed. This is simply an unsubstantiated "article" calculated to raise fear and concern over vague threats of "anarchy in the streets."

As for the concerns about gangs like MS-13; they are not some product of the "Reagan foreign policy blowback," nor are they mercenaries of the Mexican government. They are simply the outcome of third world societies, where small bands of exceedingly brutal groups use fear and terror to achieve their ends. This phenomenon is worldwide.
Such phenomena does exist throughout the world, but if the Reagan administration hadn't decided to monkey around in Central America nor train death squads to go after supposed "communists" (which meant anyone who wasn't on the side the US favored), there would have been no large Central American diaspora to the US, and the circumstances that led to the forming of MS13 (not to mention their sophistication regarding weaponry and organization, far above the level of US gangs) would not have existed. Remember that prior to the Central American wars of the 80s, there were few Salvadorans in the US outside of Florida.

It is fair to blame Reagan policy for making MS13 as it exists right now possible just as it is fair to blame Reagan policy for making Al Qaeda as we know it possible. This is not to say there would not be groups with similar ideologies to Al Qaeda or violent death squads of the sort that MS13 emerged from ; however, they would not present a problem in the USA as opposed to their home countries.
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Old 03-23-2007, 02:49 PM
 
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It is fair to blame Reagan policy for making MS13 as it exists right now possible just as it is fair to blame Reagan policy for making Al Qaeda as we know it possible. QUOTE]

Darned ol republicans/conservatives, leave it to them to start violent gangs to harm their fellow countrymen..... Guess the good old Liberal Demoncraps will straighten this mess out for us now huh ???
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Old 03-23-2007, 03:44 PM
 
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Reagan's most horrific mistake was signing the 1986 amnesty bill. We are still suffering the blowback from that disastrous policy,too.
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Old 03-23-2007, 08:10 PM
 
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The 1986 amnesty was supposed to solve the problem of illegal immigration. Instead, it has made the situation worse.

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The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA) was enacted by Congress in response to the large and rapidly growing illegal alien population in the United States.
Until 1986, the United States had never forgiven the act of illegal immigration in other than individual cases and had never rewarded large numbers of illegal aliens with the opportunity for U.S. citizenship.
http://www.numbersusa.com/interests/amnesty.html#1986 (broken link)

In addition to granting blanket amnesty to illegal aliens, the bill contained provisions to secure the border and punish employers who hired illegals. These were not actively enforced and within several years of the IRCA the number of illegals in the US exceeded the 2.7 million here in 1986. The IRCA also sent the message that if you enter the US in violation of our immigration laws, just wait around and you will be rewarded with amnesty. We now have at least 4 times as many illegals as we did when the IRCA was passed. It doesn't seem to have worked. And I doubt the amnesty proposed now will yield better results.
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