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Old 03-13-2009, 12:25 PM
 
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Originally Posted by norberto View Post
Hi there,

I myself am of Hispanic origin although I consider myself to be American first and always American first.

My family and I migrated to the US from Mexico when I was two and I gained my US citizenship when I was 13.

My family worked hard to come here and for illegal aliens, no matter what their race or ethnicity or nationality they have, to come here and demand that they are owed something is an insult. It's an insult to me and my family who had to work hard to immigrate to here.

I can distinguish what is pro legal and anti illegal. I support anti illegal peoples.

Anyone who opposes illegal immigration because it is wrong and a violation of US law is a hero in my eyes.

I am Mexican by birth BUT American by choice and always that way.

And no, I don't believe that being poor is a reason to immigrate illegally. The law MUST be followed!
Awesome post!




 
Old 03-13-2009, 12:28 PM
 
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Thank you. If you even mentioned this to some pro-illegal apologists they'd probably brand you as a self-hating Mexican or someone who is forgetting his roots.

A legal immigrant who agrees with law enforcement? What a shock!
The pro-illegals see norberto as a Mexican traitor. Most anti-illegals see norberto as American. His Mexican heritage never even crosses their minds.

Who are actually the racists?
 
Old 03-13-2009, 12:47 PM
 
Location: in purgurtory in London
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I happen to be a man of color, and have been following the immigration debate for decades.

My personal opinion is that illegal [Latino] immigration would never/could never have happened without business and government. People who come here illegally, are looking for the opportunities that they already know exist. So when those opposed to such immigration argue that "they're taking our jobs", my response is always that those jobs cannot be "taken"; they can only be given. Now, I understand and appreciate how illegal labor as a whole, has driven down wages in some occupations, but aside from decent construction jobs, those occupations consisted mainly of menial and hard labor anyway. Sadly, opponents to illegal immigrants have succeeded in convincing some Black Americans that the Mexicans have stolen our jobs. But as a middle class Black man, I've never had an illegal immigrant "take" my job. Nor have any of my Black friends, acquaintences or family members.

Therefore, as a Black man, I view this opposition in a few ways: (1) it's demeaning to Blacks AND Latinos, to the extent that people have tried to pit "us" against "them" for the table-crumb jobs; (2) it's ethnically biased, to the extent that it would be much less of a problem if we were talking about blonde, blue-eyed Canadians coming across the northern border; and (3) the ethnic and racial hatred that it engenders, while ignoring the primarily White and well-off benefactors and facilitators of illegal labor.
I couldn't agree more, well said.
 
Old 03-13-2009, 12:49 PM
 
Location: in purgurtory in London
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The pro-illegals see norberto as a Mexican traitor. Most anti-illegals see norberto as American. His Mexican heritage never even crosses their minds.

Who are actually the racists?
Yeah he gets a pat on his back, if you or others of your ilk saw him waiting for his friend or wife on a street corner to give him a ride and didn't know his history, he'd be just another "whet back".

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Old 03-13-2009, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Where laws can be ignored due to political correctness
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Yeah he gets a pat on his back, if you or others of your ilk saw him waiting for his friend or wife on a street corner to give him a ride and didn't know his history, he'd be just another whet back.
Based on what evidence or are you just resorting to name calling because you perceive being anti-illegal and non-racist as an impossibility?
 
Old 03-13-2009, 01:01 PM
 
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Based on what evidence or are you just resorting to name calling because you perceive being anti-illegal and non-racist as an impossibility?

Name calling where who? Or is this just another excuse to click on the "report post" icon?
 
Old 03-13-2009, 01:06 PM
 
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Name calling where who? Or is this just another excuse to click on the "report post" icon?
OK, I admit that I structured my post wrongly but my main problem was that you resorted to using an ethnic slur. Why is that?

Do you honestly believe it's impossible to be anti-illegal, pro-law and non-racist? Do you assume that us anti-illegals stereotype all Mexicans/Hispanics as illegal?

Is it too difficult to comprehend someone being anti-illegal and not racist?
 
Old 03-13-2009, 01:16 PM
 
Location: in purgurtory in London
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OK, I admit that I structured my post wrongly but my main problem was that you resorted to using an ethnic slur. Why is that?

Do you honestly believe it's impossible to be anti-illegal, pro-law and non-racist? Do you assume that us anti-illegals stereotype all Mexicans/Hispanics as illegal?

Is it too difficult to comprehend someone being anti-illegal and not racist?
You betcha.
 
Old 03-13-2009, 01:18 PM
 
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So, I assume the bolded question is the only one you believe is correct?

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You betcha.
Who exactly? Usernames please--and evidence.
 
Old 03-13-2009, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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You betcha.
And; since when do all Mexican nationals look alike?

I have known several folks from SOB who were definitely White (northern Euro facial features, blue eyes, etc.).

Translation: not all Mexicans are Indian/Mestizo.
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