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Old 03-14-2009, 03:20 PM
 
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Yet Mexico is clearly in denial about what I bolded.
Lately, Calderon has been blaming the US for a lot of their problems.

The funny thing about that (but not really) is he never mentions the billions of our tax dollars they receive and our generous treatment of his illegal alien nationals squatting in the US.

The US has propped mexico up for as long as it's been a "country" and is pretty much the only reason mexico hasn't imploded and ceased to exist.

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Old 03-14-2009, 03:25 PM
 
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Anything for money!

Part of Mexico's problem right now is that massive emigration left behind many children with no parents to raise them. These children are reaching their teen and adult ages and there are no job prospects for them because for one, by leaving their country, Mexicans have not built up their own economy and another, these children have grown up with no parental guidance often were left to raise themselves on the streets.
I have read that there are villages with no men except the elderly. They have all headed for El Norte. This cannot possibly be a healthy situation, an entire village of children with no fathers around. I wonder if this is part of the reason the drug cartels are taking over the country. If they want to set up shop in an area and there is no one living there except women, children and the elderly, who is going to stop them?
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Old 03-14-2009, 05:59 PM
 
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I have read that there are villages with no men except the elderly. They have all headed for El Norte. This cannot possibly be a healthy situation, an entire village of children with no fathers around. I wonder if this is part of the reason the drug cartels are taking over the country. If they want to set up shop in an area and there is no one living there except women, children and the elderly, who is going to stop them?
This is El Salvador but it's the same problem --


YouTube - Diez Ocho 2

Watch at about 4:18 when these kids talk about the mothers who abandoned them to the streets all for their love of money, the mothers put their greed before their own children. Mothers that don't really give a damn what happens to the kids they leave behind.

It's a terrible situation. Kids need parents home raising them.
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Old 03-14-2009, 06:19 PM
 
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This is El Salvador but it's the same problem --


YouTube - Diez Ocho 2

Watch at about 4:18 when these kids talk about the mothers who abandoned them to the streets all for their love of money, the mothers put their greed before their own children. Mothers that don't really give a damn what happens to the kids they leave behind.

It's a terrible situation. Kids need parents home raising them.
True, but, maybe they will be ones who overthrow thier corrupt governments. Who knows, daddy might be deported (MS-13) and come home to lead the revolution. Central America needs to change, could be these kids are the last hope.
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Old 03-14-2009, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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The story is indeed a sad one but as someone else has said, I want to hear about the trouble she has caused in the life of the person or people whose identity she has stolen.

We have Americans living in tent cities with no running water and no toilets. I think these people should be our first concern, not people who are criminals in other countries.

Call it what you like she broke the law and she is a criminal.
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Old 03-14-2009, 07:41 PM
 
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I'm surprised the usual suspects haven't come onto this thread to school the rest of us on moral relativism. After all, we fat racist north american bastards cannot possibly understand what it is like living in Mexico/Guatamala/Hondorus etc... and to judge those people with the same set of morals/ideals that we fat lazy bastards have is not only unfair but stupid.
Oh -- and don't you dare call their countries 'third world'...thats insulting.
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Old 03-15-2009, 08:16 AM
 
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True, but, maybe they will be ones who overthrow thier corrupt governments. Who knows, daddy might be deported (MS-13) and come home to lead the revolution. Central America needs to change, could be these kids are the last hope.
You should watch the rest of that series. They all end up killing someone from another gang and end up in prison. The prisons make them worse. Some end up addicted to hard drugs and are so useless even their gang no longer wants them. Slappy -- the father of those three cute children ended up a lying pathetic drug addict and also finally went to prison.

It's not a good thing at all for parents to leave behind children -- the love of money is really the root of all evil. The parents are destroying their own children which are the future of their own countries, all for greed. Children need much more than a remittance check.
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Old 03-15-2009, 12:25 PM
 
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You should watch the rest of that series. They all end up killing someone from another gang and end up in prison. The prisons make them worse. Some end up addicted to hard drugs and are so useless even their gang no longer wants them. Slappy -- the father of those three cute children ended up a lying pathetic drug addict and also finally went to prison.

It's not a good thing at all for parents to leave behind children -- the love of money is really the root of all evil. The parents are destroying their own children which are the future of their own countries, all for greed. Children need much more than a remittance check.
Nail meets hammer once again. What you have stated is nothing less than more reasons to add to the list of their nothing is my fault or responsibility mentality. Yet they wonder why the countries from which they hail remain perpetually unihabitable disasters.
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Old 03-15-2009, 01:21 PM
 
Location: The world, where will fate take me this time?
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This is El Salvador but it's the same problem --


YouTube - Diez Ocho 2

Watch at about 4:18 when these kids talk about the mothers who abandoned them to the streets all for their love of money, the mothers put their greed before their own children. Mothers that don't really give a damn what happens to the kids they leave behind.

It's a terrible situation. Kids need parents home raising them.
Those irresponsible parents don't have my sympathy at all, if they want to have a decent lifestyle, why don't delay childbirth instead? why do they have a lot of babies and then decide to forsake them in order to "better themselves" if this people grew up, delayed childbirth and dedicated more time to study they wouldn't need to emigrate.

besides if they did that to their OWN family I doubt they can contribute much to any society.
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Old 03-15-2009, 01:24 PM
 
Location: The world, where will fate take me this time?
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Lately, Calderon has been blaming the US for a lot of their problems.

The funny thing about that (but not really) is he never mentions the billions of our tax dollars they receive and our generous treatment of his illegal alien nationals squatting in the US.

The US has propped mexico up for as long as it's been a "country" and is pretty much the only reason mexico hasn't imploded and ceased to exist.
Blaming the USA for everything is absurd and nonsensical, but so is blaming Mexico for everything.

Mexico should invest heavily in educating those communities that have a tradition of emigrating to the USA, so they learn to delay childbirth and are able to educate themselves it's not like they are disabled and their only hope is to emigrate to the USA or that they are beyond help.

But in all fairness if the USA gives them freebies is not Mexico's fault, the blame lies on a corrupt greedy government that decided that the advantages of having an illegal population are enough to forsake and leech the very citizens they've sworn to serve and protect! If they really wanted the problem to stop they would have cut the freebies a long time ago. But for some reason they don't, they don't fine or arrest any criminal employer either who blatantly violate the law with their criminal behavior of hiring illegals putting their own citizens in disadvantage, this corrupt government also decided it was more important to kill people on the other side of the world, just to get their oil, when those billions could have been invested in better health, education services, a program to fine and arrest criminal employeers, or whatever you want.

With these actions, the corrupt government of the United States is sending the signal that they don't really care about the rights of their own citizens or to enforce illegal laws, so why others should care about them?

If the USA government is capable of starting a war and violating another country's sovereignity and borders, using it's power to twist the arm of the security council to "legalize" an illegal invasion, why sould criminal employeers, drug dealers or illegal aliens care?

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