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Just because you use little code words like "apologist" and "race card" doesn't mean you're right.
I did not say anything derogatory. Calling someone a racist is not a derogatory term, you people keep saying this (like Andrew Breitbart), being racist is simply that, being racist. We wouldn't call you a racist if you didn't so overtly prove it to us time and time again. Would you sit in a room with nothing but Mexicans and talk the way you do on here? Would you say the things you say about Mexican culture to a Mexican family? If you even hesitate for a second, you're a racist, and if you don't, you're a RABID racist. What you say about Mexicans (while ignoring facts and history, I guarantee you didn't read the linked article) is offensive to Mexicans and people like me who believe that everyone is entitled to equal rights, regardless of skin color or national origin.
Just the fact that your only real purpose on these boards is to complain about illegal MEXICAN immigrants, how can we assume any different? I don't see you talking about anything else, and you call me a traitor and other terrible things even though I'm doing my part and have done so my whole adult life.
Remember, EDUCATE yourself and LEARN ABOUT AMERICA'S IMMIGRATION HISTORY before you start saying things that just make you look foolish or bigoted.
Again: quit twisting what I say to suit your pathetic agenda.
Just accept the fact it is over for those who support amnesty for a bunch of illegal alien lawbreakers---------most of whom happen to come from Mexico and move on.
Frankly: our mistake as a tion was not taking all of Mexico in 1848 vs. just half-----------God knows that area would be much better off socio-economically.
there was a lax immigration process for most people.
AND there were exclusionary laws for other "undesirables", which included asians, pacific islanders and those from south of the border.
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but you are too funny.
illegals know what they need to come here now also. they come with money. and they come knowing they will get a job. and most times they are healthy enough to cross on their own (power).
not very different from those older immigrants i suppose?
its good to implement more stingent immigration policies, but lets not fool ourselves into thinking that the migration process was dificult at the turn of the century. it wasnt.
all they had to do back then was show up and be registered.
would you be ok with that.
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So which is it? There were no immigration laws or there were but they were unfair to Asians?
Now, as to going through Ellis Island which you seem to think was a picnic, my grandfather remembered it as being extremely scary. People were seperated from each other, and god forbid little stanislav got a sty on his eye right before docking! And while yes, not that many people got deported it should also be noted that the immigrants knew what they needed to have and to be in order to be accepted. They knew that they could not have infectous diseases, they knew they need X amount of cash on their person and they knew they needed the prospect of a job or relatives to go to once they debarked. So, they didn't come across until they had X amount of money, a job/relative to go to, and everyone was healthy. Because those were the requirements, and they fulfilled them.
Now, tell me what of these things does the illegal immigrant have to do/prove/have? None of them. If they have the ability to pay a coyote, they are in. And that is not right.
there was a lax immigration process for most people.
AND there were exclusionary laws for other "undesirables", which included asians, pacific islanders and those from south of the border.
for a second
but you are too funny.
illegals know what they need to come here now also. they come with money. and they come knowing they will get a job. and most times they are healthy enough to cross on their own (power).
not very different from those older immigrants i suppose?
its good to implement more stingent immigration policies, but lets not fool ourselves into thinking that the migration process was dificult at the turn of the century. it wasnt.
all they had to do back then was show up and be registered.
would you be ok with that.
Maybe for the pilgrims as the Iroqouis had extremely lax immigration laws. Probably a lesson to be learned from that
But to continue to float about a myth that there were no quotas, there were no inspections in order to support an illegal immigration viewpoint is just dishonest.
But not every passenger was permitted to come into the U.S. About 20% of the immigrants were detained on the island, and 2% of immigrants were deported back to their homelands, because of medical reasons, political reasons, or because the authorities feared they would become public charges The detention on Ellis Island ran as high as 20% for all immigrants inspected, during the peak years of immigration. Some families stayed for days, others for weeks, and still others for months THE IMMIGRATION PROCESS ON ELLIS ISLAND
But yeah, other then that they really had it easy. Certainly easier then todays illegal -- after all, they just have to make it across the border and have enough money to buy a fake ID and boom! They are citizens
Also, lets not forget that quite unlike illegal immigrants who get top notch health care that they do not have to pay for as well as an education for their children, those immigrants who passed through Ellis Island who you claim had it so damn easy didn't have that. If they were sick and couldn't pay well....home remedies either did the trick or they went to a charity hospital. And the care at those weren't on par with the 'better' hospitals. Back then, children were pulled out of school at around the fourth - eigth grade to work full time jobs. Todays illegal doesn't have that, do they? Back then if those legal immigrants didn't have enough to eat - they didn't eat. Todays illegals don't have that problem either.
About the only thing they have in common is desperation, and a willingness to scab work.
But lets pretend that all immigrants all had to do was show up and be registered as you say -- that is still a hell of a lot more scrutiny then is being given to illegal immigrants.
Maybe for the pilgrims as the Iroqouis had extremely lax immigration laws. Probably a lesson to be learned from that
But to continue to float about a myth that there were no quotas, there were no inspections in order to support an illegal immigration viewpoint is just dishonest. But not every passenger was permitted to come into the U.S. About 20% of the immigrants were detained on the island, and 2% of immigrants were deported back to their homelands, because of medical reasons, political reasons, or because the authorities feared they would become public charges The detention on Ellis Island ran as high as 20% for all immigrants inspected, during the peak years of immigration. Some families stayed for days, others for weeks, and still others for months THE IMMIGRATION PROCESS ON ELLIS ISLAND
But yeah, other then that they really had it easy. Certainly easier then todays illegal -- after all, they just have to make it across the border and have enough money to buy a fake ID and boom! They are citizens
Also, lets not forget that quite unlike illegal immigrants who get top notch health care that they do not have to pay for as well as an education for their children, those immigrants who passed through Ellis Island who you claim had it so damn easy didn't have that. If they were sick and couldn't pay well....home remedies either did the trick or they went to a charity hospital. And the care at those weren't on par with the 'better' hospitals. Back then, children were pulled out of school at around the fourth - eigth grade to work full time jobs. Todays illegal doesn't have that, do they? Back then if those legal immigrants didn't have enough to eat - they didn't eat. Todays illegals don't have that problem either.
About the only thing they have in common is desperation, and a willingness to scab work.
Yup, people who claim it was easier for Europeans to immigrate to America show a lack of understanding of history of immigration to this country.
I see nothing wrong with Irish Americans or any other Americans celebrating their heritage on American soil. As a matter of fact, in Chicago that is the one day that all races of people are encouraged to be Irish.
That being said what I find hypocritical are people squatting in this country illegally who when in mexico have no problem living as deaf mutes, in inhumane squalor, and completely happy with low waged jobs (if they're lucky to get one of them). Add to that equation virtually no human rights or compassion from their own government or oligarchies, exhibiting all the courage of totally invisible cowards.
Yet once they cross the border they quickly muster up the courage to unpack their balls from their brown paper bags and manage to gather their unmitigated gall to march down American streets screaming viva LaRaza, viva Mexico all while financially, morally and socially, bleeding America dry while daring American law enforcement to arrest and jail or deport them.
Question for the OP and other hypocrits whining about nothing: Do you find Hispanic Heritage Month hypocritical as well?
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Hispanic Heritage Month begins on September 15, the anniversary of independence for five Latin American countries—Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua. In addition, Mexico declared its independence on September 16, and Chile on September 18.
The term Hispanic, as defined by the U.S. Census Bureau, refers to Spanish-speaking people in the United States of any race. On the 2000 Census form, people of Spanish/Hispanic/Latino origin could identify themselves as Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, or "other Spanish/Hispanic/Latino." More than 35 million people identified themselves as Hispanic or Latino on the 2000 Census. http://www.infoplease.com/spot/hhm1.html
so 98% of people showing up and getting automatic citizenship after a cursory med check is not lax?
and plenty of myths abound regarding immigrants use of ER rooms for minor issues. that is just not the case. and once again, illegals do not qualify for social service programs. most that come are single men. some with families, but mostly single men. they rely on their communities for assistance. this idea of a guy coming here and standing in a welfare line is the bigget myth...
but feel free to beleive what you will.
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Originally Posted by camping!
Maybe for the pilgrims as the Iroqouis had extremely lax immigration laws. Probably a lesson to be learned from that
But to continue to float about a myth that there were no quotas, there were no inspections in order to support an illegal immigration viewpoint is just dishonest.
But not every passenger was permitted to come into the U.S. About 20% of the immigrants were detained on the island, and 2% of immigrants were deported back to their homelands, because of medical reasons, political reasons, or because the authorities feared they would become public charges The detention on Ellis Island ran as high as 20% for all immigrants inspected, during the peak years of immigration. Some families stayed for days, others for weeks, and still others for months THE IMMIGRATION PROCESS ON ELLIS ISLAND
But yeah, other then that they really had it easy. Certainly easier then todays illegal -- after all, they just have to make it across the border and have enough money to buy a fake ID and boom! They are citizens
Also, lets not forget that quite unlike illegal immigrants who get top notch health care that they do not have to pay for as well as an education for their children, those immigrants who passed through Ellis Island who you claim had it so damn easy didn't have that. If they were sick and couldn't pay well....home remedies either did the trick or they went to a charity hospital. And the care at those weren't on par with the 'better' hospitals. Back then, children were pulled out of school at around the fourth - eigth grade to work full time jobs. Todays illegal doesn't have that, do they? Back then if those legal immigrants didn't have enough to eat - they didn't eat. Todays illegals don't have that problem either.
About the only thing they have in common is desperation, and a willingness to scab work.
But lets pretend that all immigrants all had to do was show up and be registered as you say -- that is still a hell of a lot more scrutiny then is being given to illegal immigrants.
there was a lax immigration process for most people.
AND there were exclusionary laws for other "undesirables", which included asians, pacific islanders and those from south of the border.
for a second
but you are too funny.
illegals know what they need to come here now also. they come with money. and they come knowing they will get a job. and most times they are healthy enough to cross on their own (power).
not very different from those older immigrants i suppose?
its good to implement more stingent immigration policies, but lets not fool ourselves into thinking that the migration process was dificult at the turn of the century. it wasnt.
all they had to do back then was show up and be registered.
would you be ok with that.
At the time of the last great wave of immigration, US population was one third of what it is today. We needed additional people then. We don't now.
Excellent question...
How many hispanics have I heard complaining about Irish, Germans or Italians not assimilating...
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No, haven't heard one yet.
Could it be because the majority of them are Americans and already have? What does that have to do with the OP calling Irishmen who celebrate their heritage hypocrits? Oh wait, you already answered that question . . NOTHING.
Back on topic: HYPOCRITS. . . . .
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