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Old 03-20-2009, 10:46 AM
 
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State of Sonora is angry at Influx of Mexicans into Mexico .
Nine state legislators from the Mexican state of Sonora traveled to Tucson to complain about Arizona 's new employer crackdown on illegals from Mexico. It seems that many Mexican illegals are now returning to their hometowns and the officials in the Sonora state government are ticked off about it. A delegation of nine state legislators from Sonora was in Tucson on Tuesday to say Arizona 's new employer sanctions law will have a devastating effect on the Mexican state. At a news conference, the legislators said Sonora-Arizona 's southern neighbor, made up of mostly small towns - cannot handle the demand for housing, jobs and schools it will face as illegal Mexican workers here return to their hometowns without jobs or money.
The law, which took effect Jan.1, punishes employers who knowingly hire individuals who don't have valid legal documents to work in the United States. Penalties include suspension of, or loss of, their business license. The Mexican legislators are angry because their own citizens are returning to their hometowns, placing a burden on their state government.
'How can they pass a law like this?' asked Mexican Rep. Leticia Amparano-Gamez, who represents Nogales. 'There is not one person living in Sonora who does not have a friend or relative working in Arizona, she said, speaking only in Spanish..

'Mexico is not prepared for this, for the tremendous problems it will face as more and more Mexicans working in Arizona and sending money to their families return to hometowns in Sonora without jobs,' she said.

<b>Sure we can easilly get rid of illegals if we really want to.</b> in In The News in History Channel

Too Bad!
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Old 03-20-2009, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Tough!!
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Old 03-20-2009, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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State of Sonora is angry at Influx of Mexicans into Mexico .
Nine state legislators from the Mexican state of Sonora traveled to Tucson to complain about Arizona 's new employer crackdown on illegals from Mexico. It seems that many Mexican illegals are now returning to their hometowns and the officials in the Sonora state government are ticked off about it. A delegation of nine state legislators from Sonora was in Tucson on Tuesday to say Arizona 's new employer sanctions law will have a devastating effect on the Mexican state. At a news conference, the legislators said Sonora-Arizona 's southern neighbor, made up of mostly small towns - cannot handle the demand for housing, jobs and schools it will face as illegal Mexican workers here return to their hometowns without jobs or money.
The law, which took effect Jan.1, punishes employers who knowingly hire individuals who don't have valid legal documents to work in the United States. Penalties include suspension of, or loss of, their business license. The Mexican legislators are angry because their own citizens are returning to their hometowns, placing a burden on their state government.
'How can they pass a law like this?' asked Mexican Rep. Leticia Amparano-Gamez, who represents Nogales. 'There is not one person living in Sonora who does not have a friend or relative working in Arizona, she said, speaking only in Spanish..

'Mexico is not prepared for this, for the tremendous problems it will face as more and more Mexicans working in Arizona and sending money to their families return to hometowns in Sonora without jobs,' she said.

<b>Sure we can easilly get rid of illegals if we really want to.</b> in In The News in History Channel

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Tough!!
Two words to Mexico: quit complaining!
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Old 03-20-2009, 11:41 AM
 
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Mexico needs to address the corruption, as the divide between the very rich and the common people that they are succeeding in keeping poor is enormous. We have to address the very same issues in our own country!



Democracy - Not "The Free Market" - Will Save America's Middle Class

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Old 03-20-2009, 11:51 AM
 
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Mexico needs to address the corruption, as the divide between the very rich and the common people that they are succeeding in keeping poor is enormous. We have to address the very same issues in our own country!



Democracy - Not "The Free Market" - Will Save America's Middle Class

Democracy - Not "The Free Market" - Will Save America's Middle Class
youre right on the money, the thing is that both countries have really become more productive because of nafta. But the wages are still the same. As a society we need to make corporations that used our
infrastructure to pay a certain portion of their profits to compensate the effects that it has on the local population.
but yet again if we become protective to outside goods develop cheaper in foreign countries would only mean more expnsive goods
which doesnt look goo either. Just look at japan. corporations are not responsible for their societies once they automated their industries, they just take it somewhee else for even more profits.
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Old 03-20-2009, 12:03 PM
 
Location: The Great State of Texas, Finally!
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God forbid Mexico actually take responsiblity for its own people. If they sneak across our borders, it's our fault. If they return, well that's our fault too. F*CK Mexico! I say put them out of their misery, annex the damned country into the US, have them pay taxes and that's the end of it.
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Old 03-20-2009, 12:03 PM
 
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youre right on the money, the thing is that both countries have really become more productive because of nafta. But the wages are still the same. As a society we need to make corporations that used our
infrastructure to pay a certain portion of their profits to compensate the effects that it has on the local population.
but yet again if we become protective to outside goods develop cheaper in foreign countries would only mean more expnsive goods
which doesnt look goo either. Just look at japan. corporations are not responsible for their societies once they automated their industries, they just take it somewhee else for even more profits.
NAFTA has been on steroids to our detriment. We can't stay a nation of paper pushing to remain a Democracy and thriving.

The high price of 'free' trade
NAFTA's failure has cost the United States jobs across the nation


Since the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was signed in
1993, the rise in the U.S. trade deficit with Canada and Mexico through 2002 has caused the displacement of production that supported 879,280 U.S. jobs. Most of those lost jobs were high-wage positions in manufacturing industries. The loss of these jobs is just the most visible tip of NAFTA's impact on the U.S. economy. In fact, NAFTA has also contributed to rising income inequality, suppressed real wages for production workers, weakened workers' collective bargaining powers and ability to organize unions, and reduced fringe benefits.


This article is from November 17, 2003

The high price of ‘free’ trade
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Old 03-20-2009, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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God forbid Mexico actually take responsiblity for its own people
Never happen

Mexico has had the exact same problems for over a century.
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Old 03-20-2009, 12:21 PM
 
Location: The world, where will fate take me this time?
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Never happen

Mexico has had the exact same problems for over a century.
I don't see the USA taking much reponsibility either, they start wars and send troops without caring for their safety, how many people gets killed and maimed for no reason?

Taxpayers money that could be used to build more schools, hospitals, roads, etc is spent in wars and other stupid defense projects that don't even work like the starwars project.

now the government doesn't really do anything except smoke and mirrors regarding the illegal problem, illegal employeers get away with it with no punishment, the government gives them handouts, I don't see what the government is doing in behalf of their citizens honestly.

the truth is that in most countries citizens want something and the government wants something else, the US is no exception.
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Old 03-20-2009, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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now the government doesn't really do anything except smoke and mirrors regarding the illegal problem, illegal employeers get away with it with no punishment,
The Employer Sanctions Law in AZ was the first in the country. A number of employers have been "raided" and a number of illegals detained and deported (one just a few weeks ago). Prosecution was waiting on an appeal filed to the 9th District by the "anti" group. They lost - the Court affirmed the law.

Prosecutions will now take place.

Keep in mind that one of the staunchest supporters of the Employer Sanctions Law, is now the Secretary of Homeland Security
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