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Old 03-26-2009, 07:45 PM
 
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The problem is....the U.S. isn't a third world; therefore, we cannot condone or tolerate the third-world mentality toward our laws.
were worse then third world mentality because at least the third world do it for survival they dont know anybetter, but us?

since nafta took effect we have lost over 3,000,000 manufacturing jobs
lets say those manufacturing jobs paid 10 dollars an hour plus benefits.
in a year those 3,000,000 jobs were worth 62.4 billion in wages here in america, so if those jobs went to Mexico and employ the same amount but with 1/5 of wages or 12 billion and destroying Mexican environment, no compensations for injuries and what do we do? we buy those products so whose to blame?

we should be ashame of ourselves because those people dont have what we have so our standards of morality should be higher not lower but yet we act like parasite invading a host and sucking it dry.
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Old 03-26-2009, 07:47 PM
 
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Its a simple problem that was not addressed by the last amnesty because they thewn din't control the border or enforce the law like it sated. Seal the border and remove those that are illegally here.The law is there and amnesty was givenr now the rest of teh law needs to be enfovced.Not rocket science.
first youre correct they need to be deported but would we fail to enforced them again in some future? lets talk facts in the last 100 years american companies and farms or the elites practically bring them here as scabs.

but there third world and we have higher moral standards right?
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Old 03-26-2009, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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were worse then third world mentality because at least the third world do it for survival they dont know anybetter, but us?

since nafta took effect we have lost over 3,000,000 manufacturing jobs
lets say those manufacturing jobs paid 10 dollars an hour plus benefits.
in a year those 3,000,000 jobs were worth 62.4 billion in wages here in america, so if those jobs went to Mexico and employ the same amount but with 1/5 of wages or 12 billion and destroying Mexican environment, no compensations for injuries and what do we do? we buy those products so whose to blame?

we should be ashame of ourselves because those people dont have what we have so our standards of morality should be higher not lower but yet we act like parasite invading a host and sucking it dry.
All the more reason to close/lock our southern border-----------parasite problems taken care of.
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Old 03-26-2009, 07:48 PM
 
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yeah its the illegals fault for coming but your elite permitted it and people folllows the one in charge not the peons like him.
Wrong. In a First World society like the USA, people aren't "peons", they're co-owners. Take advantage of 'The System' here, and you're not 'screwing the rich'...you're screwing ALL of us.

One more cultural misunderstanding. It takes a while to assimilate here, and legal immigrants and 'natives' instinctively know this....while recently-arrived illegals from Third-World societies often don't. They think that because they're 'peons' back home, we're 'peons' here, too, and 'all in the same boat'.

When they think that, they're mistaken.
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Old 03-26-2009, 07:58 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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were worse then third world mentality because at least the third world do it for survival they dont know anybetter, but us?

since nafta took effect we have lost over 3,000,000 manufacturing jobs
lets say those manufacturing jobs paid 10 dollars an hour plus benefits.
in a year those 3,000,000 jobs were worth 62.4 billion in wages here in america, so if those jobs went to Mexico and employ the same amount but with 1/5 of wages or 12 billion and destroying Mexican environment, no compensations for injuries and what do we do? we buy those products so whose to blame?

we should be ashame of ourselves because those people dont have what we have so our standards of morality should be higher not lower but yet we act like parasite invading a host and sucking it dry.
Your posts all have this theme that people only come here for jobs. I've personally been knocked off twice(plus identity theft) by Illegal Aliens. One time the police made an arrest, the other they at least traced it to the ground crew our condo association hired and fired after they found out the punks hired Illegals to do the work. Well, after being let go the Illegals decided they needed some provisions from the Condos along the way. Seven condos to be exact. They traced finger prints from the windows to garden tools as a match but the Illegals disappeared as they weren't in any database ............yet.

We can also talk about getting my credit card number ganked and being traced to an IP in TJ if you would like. Or another getting my back pack taken out of an apt at the beach that was traced to an Illegal Alien busted trying to use one of the cards for gas at a shell station in Pacific Beach. Other than that, I guess no worries.
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Old 03-26-2009, 08:04 PM
 
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Wrong. In a First World society like the USA, people aren't "peons", they're co-owners. Take advantage of 'The System' here, and you're not 'screwing the rich'...you're screwing ALL of us.

One more cultural misunderstanding. It takes a while to assimilate here, and legal immigrants and 'natives' instinctively know this....while recently-arrived illegals from Third-World societies often don't. They think that because they're 'peons' back home, we're 'peons' here, too, and 'all in the same boat'.

When they think that, they're mistaken.
its good you said that there co-owners. so youre telling me that most of americans do own some shares so there defining the greedy ways of corporations to in anyway pay dividends in the end of the year to its shareholders? so practically we have been screwing ourselves because we as shareholders pressure our companies to make profits or else right? so the rest that you have say its null right?
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Old 03-26-2009, 08:08 PM
 
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Wrong. In a First World society like the USA, people aren't "peons", they're co-owners. Take advantage of 'The System' here, and you're not 'screwing the rich'...you're screwing ALL of us.

One more cultural misunderstanding. It takes a while to assimilate here, and legal immigrants and 'natives' instinctively know this....while recently-arrived illegals from Third-World societies often don't. They think that because they're 'peons' back home, we're 'peons' here, too, and 'all in the same boat'.

When they think that, they're mistaken.
lol so were not peons? right have you seen our income brackets lately?
top 10 percent practically owned the country,
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Old 03-26-2009, 08:10 PM
 
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Your posts all have this theme that people only come here for jobs. I've personally been knocked off twice(plus identity theft) by Illegal Aliens. One time the police made an arrest, the other they at least traced it to the ground crew our condo association hired and fired after they found out the punks hired Illegals to do the work. Well, after being let go the Illegals decided they needed some provisions from the Condos along the way. Seven condos to be exact. They traced finger prints from the windows to garden tools as a match but the Illegals disappeared as they weren't in any database ............yet.

We can also talk about getting my credit card number ganked and being traced to an IP in TJ if you would like. Or another getting my back pack taken out of an apt at the beach that was traced to an Illegal Alien busted trying to use one of the cards for gas at a shell station in Pacific Beach. Other than that, I guess no worries.
youre right but come on were talking majority if illegals were not docile, and truthfully problamatic the government would have solved that problem a long time ago.
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Old 03-26-2009, 08:32 PM
 
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were worse then third world mentality because at least the third world do it for survival they dont know anybetter, but us?

since nafta took effect we have lost over 3,000,000 manufacturing jobs
lets say those manufacturing jobs paid 10 dollars an hour plus benefits.
in a year those 3,000,000 jobs were worth 62.4 billion in wages here in america,
I agree we need to get out of Nafta. Anything that ties us to Mexico will prove to be a disaster in the long run.


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so if those jobs went to Mexico and employ the same amount but with 1/5 of wages or 12 billion and destroying Mexican environment,
If Mexico does not wish to have her pristine environment despoiled by jobs from El Norte, the answer is real simple- do not allow US companies to set up branches in the Glorious Motherland.

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no compensations for injuries and what do we do?
No, we are not going to provide Workmen's Comp for Mexican workers injured in Mexico.

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we buy those products so whose to blame?

we should be ashame of ourselves because those people dont have what we have so our standards of morality should be higher not lower but yet we act like parasite invading a host and sucking it dry.
American citizens are not sneaking into Mexico and stuffing their faces at the trough of government benefits intended for Mexican citizens, refusing to leave, demanding special privileges reserved for Mexicans that they are not entitled to and marching in parades burning Mexican flags.

Mexicans have made Mexico what it is today. Spare me the guilt trip because that dog don't hunt.
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Old 03-26-2009, 08:44 PM
 
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I agree we need to get out of Nafta. Anything that ties us to Mexico will prove to be a disaster in the long run.




If Mexico does not wish to have her pristine environment despoiled by jobs from El Norte, the answer is real simple- do not allow US companies to set up branches in the Glorious Motherland.



No, we are not going to provide Workmen's Comp for Mexican workers injured in Mexico.



American citizens are not sneaking into Mexico and stuffing their faces at the trough of government benefits intended for Mexican citizens, refusing to leave, demanding special privileges reserved for Mexicans that they are not entitled to and marching in parades burning Mexican flags.
all I can say to your answers is that this is a globolised world this aint kansas anymore, so again if europe with its free ride military under american protection has suck in
Malta, Cyprus, Slovenia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Hungary into the european union. so nafta was our answer,
this world is run in production and numbers. we as consumers cannot go around trying to preserve our labor force intact to a more competitive world without having consequenses. Mexico is just one of them, if we pay close to a 100 billion dollar in subsidies in corn affecting mexico directly do you know what a subsidie is?
american corporations and american government thats their plan to industrialise north america to confront the future
against china, europe, japan, etc. If you think were in a tight spot wait
20 years from now when most of our people our retired eating away the resources that maintain us at least competitive. thats why theres so much legal and illegal Immigration coming in theres no other way that our government sees to solve or losing composition in the worlds trading, financial, military systems or other words losing our gdp share. this is not 1950 anymore

what we need to do is have our closes friends closer and our enemies at bay and again if Mexico buys more then all the european union, and Mexican workers have proven there reliable then thats our neighbor. Not russia, korea, or poland.
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