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Old 03-27-2009, 08:56 PM
 
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I like your vision and your unwillingness to back down. I believe that America's potential can be reached at a later time just as you do. Here's how I see it in very basic ways...1.) Class warfare is usually what kicks off any revolution. Most US citizen make less than 40K per year, which won't easily keep the house or car paid for. Most large corperations love their Mexican "slave" labor; but many disenfranchised US citizens are becoming aware of this. 2.) Europe IS powerful as a united block, but so what? The US has ample exploitable resorces and nearly unlimited manpower. Only the stupidity of our government and special interest groups have kept our nation to using these to their fullest extent. (To see what we're capable of, see World War 2 history) 3.) Mexico brings nothing to the table at this time. Do you want to have to compete for jobs, education, housing, and healthcare with a group of people that don't generally pay into the tax base, and could care less about the wellfare of the nation that you live in?
U.S. Chamber of Commerce - Secure U.S. Investment Overseas
"All told, these affiliates generate substantial earnings for American companies. Their sales totaled $4.7 trillion in 2006 -a sum more than triple the export earnings of U.S. companies ($1.4 trillion in 2006). These earnings help provide American companies with a growing pool of capital to help their companies grow, innovate, and create better jobs at home."

Free Trade Bulletin no. 36: "Shipping Jobs Overseas" or Reaching New Customers? Why Congress Should Not Tax Reinvested ... | Cato's Center for Trade Policy Studies

To demonize U.S. multinationals operating production facilities abroad is to indict virtually every major American company. At latest count more than 2,500 U.S. corporations own and operate a total of 23,853 affiliates in other countries. In 2006, according to the U.S. Department of Commerce, majority-owned foreign affiliates of U.S. companies posted $4.1 trillion in sales, created just under $1 trillion in value added, employed 9.5 million foreign workers, and earned $644 billion in net income for their U.S.-based parent companies.2

"Even in Mexico and China, where low-wage workers are supposedly too poor to buy American products, more than half of the products of new and existing U.S. affiliates are sold in their domestic markets, whereas customers in the United States account for only 17 percent of sales."

I think they are putting a lot on the table
Crude oil …US$30.3 billion (15.3% of Mexico to U.S. exports, up 31.8% from 2005)
Car parts & accessories … $21.8 billion (11%, up 5.7%)
Video equipment (e.g. DVD players) … $14.6 billion (7.4%, up 38.3%)
Passenger cars … $14.2 billion (7.2%, up 31.2%)
Other complete & assembled vehicles … $9.6 billion (4.8%, up 20.2%)
Electrical apparatus & parts … $8.5 billion (4.3%, up 15.1%)
Telecommunications equipment … $7.0 billion (3.5%, up 41.2%)
Engines & parts … $5.0 billion (2.5%, up 5.6%)
Computers … $4.3 billion (2.2%, up 3.7%)
Miscellaneous household goods (e.g. clocks) … $4.2 billion (2.1%, down 6%)

http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/mexicos_top_exports_imports#ixzz0B0r26TAl

american companies working in mexico are very very profitable, more if they would have stay in the states now with fuels becoming more expansive THINK, as a customer are you going to pay asians that the only thing they can produce are cheap goods "exemption of the tigers"
more money for them and you to ship to you products 3 times the distance?
we as customers are benefitting from the Mexican economy.

now about illegals not paying there share, blame it on the corporations and business that hired them, when they pay them cheaper to replace an american worker, automatically there taking away purchasing power from those illegals that if it was done the correct way we could subtract the amount needed that way whe would not have the problems were facing right now.

and about competing with low wagers? again do you believe what our ancestors theory of free capitalism? were not socialist are we?
we have to exploit, invest, generate, create....not ISOLATE.

right? capital abroad and capital domestically have financed all the fancy gadgets we have and put money in banks to keep financing newer methods of production....its call capitalism
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Old 03-27-2009, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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U.S. Chamber of Commerce - Secure U.S. Investment Overseas
"All told, these affiliates generate substantial earnings for American companies. Their sales totaled $4.7 trillion in 2006 -a sum more than triple the export earnings of U.S. companies ($1.4 trillion in 2006). These earnings help provide American companies with a growing pool of capital to help their companies grow, innovate, and create better jobs at home."

Free Trade Bulletin no. 36: "Shipping Jobs Overseas" or Reaching New Customers? Why Congress Should Not Tax Reinvested ... | Cato's Center for Trade Policy Studies

To demonize U.S. multinationals operating production facilities abroad is to indict virtually every major American company. At latest count more than 2,500 U.S. corporations own and operate a total of 23,853 affiliates in other countries. In 2006, according to the U.S. Department of Commerce, majority-owned foreign affiliates of U.S. companies posted $4.1 trillion in sales, created just under $1 trillion in value added, employed 9.5 million foreign workers, and earned $644 billion in net income for their U.S.-based parent companies.2

"Even in Mexico and China, where low-wage workers are supposedly too poor to buy American products, more than half of the products of new and existing U.S. affiliates are sold in their domestic markets, whereas customers in the United States account for only 17 percent of sales."

I think they are putting a lot on the table
Crude oil …US$30.3 billion (15.3% of Mexico to U.S. exports, up 31.8% from 2005)
Car parts & accessories … $21.8 billion (11%, up 5.7%)
Video equipment (e.g. DVD players) … $14.6 billion (7.4%, up 38.3%)
Passenger cars … $14.2 billion (7.2%, up 31.2%)
Other complete & assembled vehicles … $9.6 billion (4.8%, up 20.2%)
Electrical apparatus & parts … $8.5 billion (4.3%, up 15.1%)
Telecommunications equipment … $7.0 billion (3.5%, up 41.2%)
Engines & parts … $5.0 billion (2.5%, up 5.6%)
Computers … $4.3 billion (2.2%, up 3.7%)
Miscellaneous household goods (e.g. clocks) … $4.2 billion (2.1%, down 6%)

http://internationaltrade.suite101.com/article.cfm/mexicos_top_exports_imports#ixzz0B0r26TAl

american companies working in mexico are very very profitable, more if they would have stay in the states now with fuels becoming more expansive THINK, as a customer are you going to pay asians that the only thing they can produce are cheap goods "exemption of the tigers"
more money for them and you to ship to you products 3 times the distance?
we as customers are benefitting from the Mexican economy.

now about illegals not paying there share, blame it on the corporations and business that hired them, when they pay them cheaper to replace an american worker, automatically there taking away purchasing power from those illegals that if it was done the correct way we could subtract the amount needed that way whe would not have the problems were facing right now.

and about competing with low wagers? again do believe what our ancestors theory of free capitalism? were not socialist are we?
we have to exploit, invest, generate, create....not ISOLATE.

right? capital abroad and capital domestically have financed all the fancy gadgets we have and put money in banks to keep financing newer methods of production....its call capitalism
Good information, but capitalism only works when there's expendable capital for most US citizens. (That's why there's a major recession, loss of jobs, and loss of sales throughout the retail world.) This loss of expendable revenue results in masses of people trying to save their money at all costs instead of spending it on the things they'd like to have in better times. The recession, paired with the housing collapse has created an economic situation where credit is hard to come by. This results is even less confidence, investing, and purchasing within the national economy. As far as your argument that illegals DO contribute to the economy to some degree...Their healthcare, incarceration, and educational costs overtake the revenue they may produce through basic purchases. Your arguments are informative and convincing to some extent, but I doubt we can reach a total agreement here. We'll have to agree to continue our debate.
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Old 03-27-2009, 09:30 PM
 
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Good information, but capitalism only works when there's expendable capital for most US citizens. (That's why there's a major recession, loss of jobs, and loss of sales throughout the retail world.) This loss of expendable revenue results in masses of people trying to save their money at all costs instead of spending it on the things they'd like to have in better times. The recession, paired with the housing collapse has created an economic situation where credit is hard to come by. This results is even less confidence, investing, and purchasing within the national economy. As far as your argument that illegals DO contribute to the economy to some degree...Their healthcare, incarceration, and educational costs overtake the revenue they may produce through basic purchases. Your arguments are informative and convincing to some extent, but I doubt we can reach a total agreement here. We'll have to agree to continue our debate.
7 Countries Considering Abandoning the US Dollar (and What It Means) | Currency Trading.net

what I higlighted in red...all of those countries retaining their money by saving, were actually all of those countries that were buying american treasury bonds in other words they were exempting themselves and bringing back those excess profits to the worlds most advanced technological centers which is america the problem is that america is not
putting all that money in good investments and thats why our banks decided to finance the housing boom with very low interests.

now about illegals if corporations would pay to society what they take from them then the mess would not be as big as it is now, and if they had done it the right way, to begin with salaries would not have been that low to outcompete americans, but come on we had a unemployment at 4 percent the past 10 years, if you did not have a job you were either to lazy or just were plainly living on welfare.

the reason I put this website is that Mexico would never never ever change their
reserve currency to euros or yens why? because all of their exports and imports are related into dollars.
so we dont have to worry about Mexicans throwing 90 billion dollars of their reserves into the world market to help china or europe crash the dollar.
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Old 03-27-2009, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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7 Countries Considering Abandoning the US Dollar (and What It Means) | Currency Trading.net

what I higlighted in red...all of those countries retaining their money by saving, were actually all of those countries that were buying american treasury bonds in other words they were exempting themselves and bringing back those excess profits to the worlds most advanced technological centers which is america the problem is that america is not
putting all that money in good investments and thats why our banks decided to finance the housing boom with very low interests.

now about illegals if corporations would pay to society what they take from them then the mess would not be as big as it is now, and if they had done it the right way, to begin with salaries would not have been that low to outcompete americans, but come on we had a unemployment at 4 percent the past 10 years, if you did not have a job you were either to lazy or just were plainly living on welfare.

the reason I put this website is that Mexico would never never ever change their
reserve currency to euros or yens why? because all of their exports and imports are related into dollars.
so we dont have to worry about Mexicans throwing 90 billion dollars of their reserves into the world market to help china or europe crash the dollar.
I'm happy to find that the Mexican government refuses to change over their national reserve to cater to Asia, but I'm a little concerned to find that it bases a large portion of its economy on the US dollar. Let's face it, Mexico's second largest means of growing its economy is based on its citizens living and working in the USA and sending money back to Mexico. ( and not investing it in the US economy.) Mexico, like the USA has ample resorces and can base its own economy on them (see oil, natural gas, and tourism.) It's time for Mexico to do as you sugested the US does, and change its leadership to exploit these resorces to their fullest extent. Perhaps this could solve the immigration issue, and allow for Mexican families to remain united in their home nation. As far as the investors and the banks are concerned, investing is a gamble. Do your homework. As for the banks, stupidity results in filing for chapter 11. The courts and the banks can work together to set standards to ensure the bank's survival if the company chooses to make intelligent descisions. If not, other banks could easily rise up to become the new examples on how to run their businesses. That's what capitalism is all about.
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Old 03-27-2009, 11:18 PM
 
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I'm happy to find that the Mexican government refuses to change over their national reserve to cater to Asia, but I'm a little concerned to find that it bases a large portion of its economy on the US dollar. Let's face it, Mexico's second largest means of growing its economy is based on its citizens living and working in the USA and sending money back to Mexico. ( and not investing it in the US economy.) Mexico, like the USA has ample resorces and can base its own economy on them (see oil, natural gas, and tourism.) It's time for Mexico to do as you sugested the US does, and change its leadership to exploit these resorces to their fullest extent. Perhaps this could solve the immigration issue, and allow for Mexican families to remain united in their home nation. As far as the investors and the banks are concerned, investing is a gamble. Do your homework. As for the banks, stupidity results in filing for chapter 11. The courts and the banks can work together to set standards to ensure the bank's survival if the company chooses to make intelligent descisions. If not, other banks could easily rise up to become the new examples on how to run their businesses. That's what capitalism is all about.
Budget expenditures 2008 country ranks
what I highlited its something sort of like a myth that our media loves to explode....remittances only account of 10% of Mexicos revenues you could say if not can find you more articles about it Mexicos budget its as large as russias yet we seem to see russia as a threat an a military giant. Second again we view all those remittances as a bad thing when really those Mexicans in the other end of line are buying american cars, phones etc etc.
the second part that is highlithed Mexico can not liberate like you said so easy because most of their most efficient industries are foreign, so it cannot exploit them to the extent
thats why I think that like most countries you have to bring investment so your locals can get higher skills, higher skills bigger revenues, bigger revenues , better school systems because of taxes, then that new labor force are the engines of domestic growth.

its so easy to explain the only thing is that thats the only way third world countries can escape from foreign investment dictating their tariffs etc etc..like the imf and the wto do for most third world countries. trust me I have done my homework..lol
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Old 03-27-2009, 11:29 PM
 
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I'm happy to find that the Mexican government refuses to change over their national reserve to cater to Asia, but I'm a little concerned to find that it bases a large portion of its economy on the US dollar. Let's face it, Mexico's second largest means of growing its economy is based on its citizens living and working in the USA and sending money back to Mexico. ( and not investing it in the US economy.) Mexico, like the USA has ample resorces and can base its own economy on them (see oil, natural gas, and tourism.) It's time for Mexico to do as you sugested the US does, and change its leadership to exploit these resorces to their fullest extent. Perhaps this could solve the immigration issue, and allow for Mexican families to remain united in their home nation. As far as the investors and the banks are concerned, investing is a gamble. Do your homework. As for the banks, stupidity results in filing for chapter 11. The courts and the banks can work together to set standards to ensure the bank's survival if the company chooses to make intelligent descisions. If not, other banks could easily rise up to become the new examples on how to run their businesses. That's what capitalism is all about.
NationMaster - Mexican Population pyramids
NationMaster - American Population pyramids

study this two pyramids and you would see that Mexicos problem was a little labor force was supporting a lot of kids under 14. In other words Mexicos baby boom has arrive and now hopefully were going to start two see a bigger labor force paying to support a better school system to produce
a more competitive labor force.
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Old 03-28-2009, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I'm happy to find that the Mexican government refuses to change over their national reserve to cater to Asia, but I'm a little concerned to find that it bases a large portion of its economy on the US dollar. Let's face it, Mexico's second largest means of growing its economy is based on its citizens living and working in the USA and sending money back to Mexico. ( and not investing it in the US economy.) Mexico, like the USA has ample resorces and can base its own economy on them (see oil, natural gas, and tourism.) It's time for Mexico to do as you sugested the US does, and change its leadership to exploit these resorces to their fullest extent. Perhaps this could solve the immigration issue, and allow for Mexican families to remain united in their home nation. As far as the investors and the banks are concerned, investing is a gamble. Do your homework. As for the banks, stupidity results in filing for chapter 11. The courts and the banks can work together to set standards to ensure the bank's survival if the company chooses to make intelligent descisions. If not, other banks could easily rise up to become the new examples on how to run their businesses. That's what capitalism is all about.
Or; if Mexico truly wants ca. 10% of its population to stay out---------maybe they can hand over 10% of its land mass to the USA as payment.
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Old 03-28-2009, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth/Dallas
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see thats sarcasm? you can google that american corporations dont pay some of their respective taxes, we subsidies corn why? do you know the word subsidies and dumping mean in the text of globalisation? american corporations bought Mexican banks, owned parts of mexico that when Mexico exports its just american companies exporting to each other. not really incrementing wages.

so you can say all you want but you know what? whoever has the money
says what needs to be done and the rest obey, and I dont think Mexicans have a lot of say in mexico or in america.

fight all those questions I asked and then prove me wrong otherwise, I think youre ignorant on these specific issues.
I'm on the opposite side of the fence from you iturbide, but I want to thank you for arguing sensibly.
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