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Old 03-26-2009, 09:38 AM
 
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66% Of American Corporations Pay Zero Federal Income Tax. | My Two Dollars

"The Government Accountability Office (GAO) examined samples of corporate tax returns filed between 1998 and 2005. In that time period, an annual average of 1.3 million U.S. companies and 39,000 foreign companies doing business in the United States paid no income taxes - despite having a combined $2.5 trillion in revenue."

so this is where illegal immigration exploited salaries go to? so do they deserve the basic benefits for their safety?

http://www.reuters.com/article/press...09+PRN20090106

"FAIR's Immigration Lobbying report uncovers how in the past three years, 521
corporations, trade associations, business groups, labor organizations,
government entities, educational institutions, and non-profit groups attempted
to influence key congressional immigration-related legislation. Only about 2
percent of these organizations supported reductions in immigration and
enhanced enforcement of U.S. immigration laws. The rest -- 98 percent --
fought for increased immigration, amnesty and more foreign guest workers."

2% supported reductions? so again who are the ones causing the illegal immigration?

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Old 03-26-2009, 12:18 PM
 
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66% Of American Corporations Pay Zero Federal Income Tax. | My Two Dollars

"The Government Accountability Office (GAO) examined samples of corporate tax returns filed between 1998 and 2005. In that time period, an annual average of 1.3 million U.S. companies and 39,000 foreign companies doing business in the United States paid no income taxes - despite having a combined $2.5 trillion in revenue."

so this is where illegal immigration exploited salaries go to? so do they deserve the basic benefits for their safety?

Who's Lobbying on Immigration and Why? New Report Details Extensive Corporate Lobbying... | Reuters

"FAIR's Immigration Lobbying report uncovers how in the past three years, 521
corporations, trade associations, business groups, labor organizations,
government entities, educational institutions, and non-profit groups attempted
to influence key congressional immigration-related legislation. Only about 2
percent of these organizations supported reductions in immigration and
enhanced enforcement of U.S. immigration laws. The rest -- 98 percent --
fought for increased immigration, amnesty and more foreign guest workers."

2% supported reductions? so again who are the ones causing the illegal immigration?
No, there is nothing 'misunderstood' about the situation. It is very simple. If you do not have permission to enter the US or reside in the US legally, then stay out or leave.

If your psychological makeup is such that you are incapable of obeying basic common sense laws, such as not going someplace that you are legally forbidden to enter, then you are hardly the sort of person the US should seek as a future citizen.

Now this is the most amazing thing......... Who gave illegal aliens the idea that they a) own everything and b) are free to go where ever they want? We happen to have another neighbor to our north whose people do not behave like this. What's the problem?

If your neighbor orders a load of bricks to build a new patio and has them piled in his backyard, would you go over and steal them? Why not? You could build your own patio. Or sell them on the black market! After all, your neighbor does not have a fence separating you from the pile of bricks and he did not specifically tell you that you could not have any of them, so why not go help yourself? Furthermore, since he placed this temptation in plain view of you, he should have known that you would steal his bricks. It is his fault, not yours, right?
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Old 03-26-2009, 02:06 PM
 
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No, there is nothing 'misunderstood' about the situation. It is very simple. If you do not have permission to enter the US or reside in the US legally, then stay out or leave.

If your psychological makeup is such that you are incapable of obeying basic common sense laws, such as not going someplace that you are legally forbidden to enter, then you are hardly the sort of person the US should seek as a future citizen.

Now this is the most amazing thing......... Who gave illegal aliens the idea that they a) own everything and b) are free to go where ever they want? We happen to have another neighbor to our north whose people do not behave like this. What's the problem?

If your neighbor orders a load of bricks to build a new patio and has them piled in his backyard, would you go over and steal them? Why not? You could build your own patio. Or sell them on the black market! After all, your neighbor does not have a fence separating you from the pile of bricks and he did not specifically tell you that you could not have any of them, so why not go help yourself? Furthermore, since he placed this temptation in plain view of you, he should have known that you would steal his bricks. It is his fault, not yours, right?
It certainly sounds like pro-illegal "logic" to me.
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Old 03-26-2009, 02:40 PM
 
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It certainly sounds like pro-illegal "logic" to me.
You and I have adult reasoning skills----------illegal aliens are basically insolent children who need to be punished.
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Old 03-26-2009, 02:55 PM
 
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If your neighbor orders a load of bricks to build a new patio and has them piled in his backyard, would you go over and steal them? Why not? You could build your own patio. Or sell them on the black market! After all, your neighbor does not have a fence separating you from the pile of bricks and he did not specifically tell you that you could not have any of them, so why not go help yourself? Furthermore, since he placed this temptation in plain view of you, he should have known that you would steal his bricks. It is his fault, not yours, right?
Would I steal the bricks? No, I wouldn't. My First World culture and the basic 'social contract' here, puts ME on the defensive; I know I can't "take", "use", or "enter", property that isn't mine. Here, that's pretty much common sense. We WRITE the laws; in turn, we're expected to obey them. If THAT'S not satisfactory, then we're free to legally CHANGE the laws; but until we DO, we obey. We seldom "call the cops", nor have them called on us, because MOST of us "get" this. Those of us who DO break the law suffer serious social stigma. We're looked at as having done "wrong"..or as "bad".

In the Third World, though? The laws aren't fair; one feels no obligation to obey them, OTHER than to avoid the brute force of punishment. No punishment, no need to obey. In the Third World, one goes as FAR as he CAN, until he's 'stopped', by some force greater than himself (like the police, or the local 'bully'). At THAT point, one simply retreats to 'try again' at a more opportune time...all the time griping about how 'chaotic' life is, and how unfair society is to 'the little guy' (which, of course, it IS, in the Third World).

In that situation, when one sees a pile of bricks, he TAKES them. If someone objects, he reasons, let that person TRY to get them back....if he succeeds.."oh, well". If he FAILS, they're YOURS.

WONDERFUL way to run a society. No WONDER it makes people "pushy". We'll become more and more familiar with Third World values as our multicultural future unfolds, complete with the notion that immigration laws (along with many others) are optional...It's all very fine, of course, to obey the law when it's convenient; Otherwise, you scream, howl, and protest, while breaking the law, hoping to get your way by sheer 'volume' and persistence....and that's ANOTHER way to get what you want.

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Old 03-26-2009, 04:23 PM
 
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Would I steal the bricks? No, I wouldn't. My First World culture and the basic 'social contract' here, puts ME on the defensive; I know I can't "take", "use", or "enter", property that isn't mine. Here, that's pretty much common sense. We WRITE the laws; in turn, we're expected to obey them. If THAT'S not satisfactory, then we're free to legally CHANGE the laws; but until we DO, we obey. We seldom "call the cops", nor have them called on us, because MOST of us "get" this. Those of us who DO break the law suffer serious social stigma. We're looked at as having done "wrong"..or as "bad".

In the Third World, though? The laws aren't fair; one feels no obligation to obey them, OTHER than to avoid the brute force of punishment. No punishment, no need to obey. In the Third World, one goes as FAR as he CAN, until he's 'stopped', by some force greater than himself (like the police, or the local 'bully'). At THAT point, one simply retreats to 'try again' at a more opportune time...all the time griping about how 'chaotic' life is, and how unfair society is to 'the little guy' (which, of course, it IS, in the Third World).

In that situation, when one sees a pile of bricks, he TAKES them. If someone objects, he reasons, let that person TRY to get them back....if he succeeds.."oh, well". If he FAILS, they're YOURS.

WONDERFUL way to run a society. No WONDER it makes people "pushy". We'll become more and more familiar with Third World values as our multicultural future unfolds, complete with the notion that immigration laws (along with many others) are optional...It's all very fine, of course, to obey the law when it's convenient; Otherwise, you scream, howl, and protest, while breaking the law, hoping to get your way by sheer 'volume' and persistence....and that's ANOTHER way to get what you want.
Skilled Labor Shortage In The US? No, Just Greedy Corporate Conservatards! « The Conservatard
The UnCapitalist Journal - Your Moral Obligation (http://uncapitalist.com/blog/?itemid=1577 - broken link)

Its good that we talk about laws, but dont you think that we as a country have a little more common sense then the ones in third world countries?
The discussion in these forums is that some are pro amnesty and majority are not. But if were a nation of laws doesnt that symbolize fairness?
we can say all we want but to the fairness to all of these is that our leaders and business love these cheap labor yes or no? so yes this people are violating our laws by coming illegaly to this country.

but the way you guys mention it here using the logic of saying there like robbers that came in at night and just took over your master bedroom. there had to be an insider yes or no? who open the door?
we can send them all back but just answer this questions
in world war 1, world war 2, koreas, 70, 80, 90,00-08 everytime we have a boom doesnt our corporations go back to the same ways?
"What’s puzzling about this is that it’s happened primarily because Americans keep voting against their best interest. Americans vote for the politicians who guarantee they will vote against a minimum wage, will support “free trade”, and will grant tax breaks for corporations desiring to outsource. The American people don’t value labor any more. When corporate executives go on the nightly news crying about how labor is so expensive and they just can’t compete in the market place, the knee jerk reaction of the American people is to blame the greedy workers."

"Perhaps it’s time we stop blaming American labor for what’s wrong with America and instead place that blame where it truly belongs: on the backs of lazy executives whose drive to make the most profit possible in the shortest amount of time is destroying America."
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Old 03-26-2009, 04:48 PM
 
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No, there is nothing 'misunderstood' about the situation. It is very simple. If you do not have permission to enter the US or reside in the US legally, then stay out or leave.

If your psychological makeup is such that you are incapable of obeying basic common sense laws, such as not going someplace that you are legally forbidden to enter, then you are hardly the sort of person the US should seek as a future citizen.

Now this is the most amazing thing......... Who gave illegal aliens the idea that they a) own everything and b) are free to go where ever they want? We happen to have another neighbor to our north whose people do not behave like this. What's the problem?

If your neighbor orders a load of bricks to build a new patio and has them piled in his backyard, would you go over and steal them? Why not? You could build your own patio. Or sell them on the black market! After all, your neighbor does not have a fence separating you from the pile of bricks and he did not specifically tell you that you could not have any of them, so why not go help yourself? Furthermore, since he placed this temptation in plain view of you, he should have known that you would steal his bricks. It is his fault, not yours, right?
Center for Global Justice (http://www.globaljusticecenter.org/articles/betterworld_migra.htm - broken link)

"free trade means that capital and commodities are allowed to move freely across borders, while those borders are barriers to the movement of labor, the result is rising corporate profits and stagnating or declining wages on both sides." both middle classes were effected mexican and american is not that simple of just saying one stole bricks and went about his business. were talking about gigantic whirlwinds here.
if you read this article why does the american government keep subsidising corn knowing that it effects mexico? did you know that in the last 10 years we have subsidise US$91 billion for corn? and mexico allow it? was it a plan to outcompete europe or asia? in production.
"There is a saying in Mexico that for every bushel of corn you dump on us, we’ll send you ten workers."

do you understand the term dumping in the free trade dictionary
gigantic whirlwinds here.

where dumping is defined as the act of a manufacturer in one country exporting a product to another country at a price which is either below the price it charges in its home market or is below its costs of production.

we have and had those problems with japan and china....
Ill put a better story for you here. lets pretend we set fire on our neighbors house and dont expect the neighbors to run to your house in the middle of the night banging at your door if you can dial 911 and call for help. and you refusing knowing well that you cause the fire.
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Old 03-26-2009, 04:57 PM
 
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No, there is nothing 'misunderstood' about the situation. It is very simple. If you do not have permission to enter the US or reside in the US legally, then stay out or leave.

If your psychological makeup is such that you are incapable of obeying basic common sense laws, such as not going someplace that you are legally forbidden to enter, then you are hardly the sort of person the US should seek as a future citizen.

Now this is the most amazing thing......... Who gave illegal aliens the idea that they a) own everything and b) are free to go where ever they want? We happen to have another neighbor to our north whose people do not behave like this. What's the problem?

If your neighbor orders a load of bricks to build a new patio and has them piled in his backyard, would you go over and steal them?the illegals are not in charge of distributing them there getting paid miserable wages by greedy corporations so no ones stealing them but youre own contractor charging you the whole price for the new patio and profiting the rest by not paying insurance and real honorable wages Why not? You could build your own patio. Or sell them on the black market!again is your contractor not the illegal with the negotiationsAfter all, your neighbor does not have a fence separating you from the pile of bricks and he did not specifically tell you that you could not have any of them, so why not go help yourself? Furthermore, since he placed this temptation in plain view of you, he should have known that you would steal his bricks. It is his fault, not yours, right?
yeah its the illegals fault for coming but your elite permitted it and people folllows the one in charge not the peons like him.
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Old 03-26-2009, 05:38 PM
 
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In the Third World, though? The laws aren't fair; one feels no obligation to obey them, OTHER than to avoid the brute force of punishment. No punishment, no need to obey. In the Third World, one goes as FAR as he CAN, until he's 'stopped', by some force greater than himself (like the police, or the local 'bully'). At THAT point, one simply retreats to 'try again' at a more opportune time...all the time griping about how 'chaotic' life is, and how unfair society is to 'the little guy' (which, of course, it IS, in the Third World).
The problem is....the U.S. isn't a third world; therefore, we cannot condone or tolerate the third-world mentality toward our laws.
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Old 03-26-2009, 06:15 PM
 
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Its a simple problem that was not addressed by the last amnesty because they thewn din't control the border or enforce the law like it sated. Seal the border and remove those that are illegally here.The law is there and amnesty was givenr now the rest of teh law needs to be enfovced.Not rocket science.
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