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Old 03-29-2009, 01:29 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The only people that I know who are allowed guns "Legally" are the Military and Police. However I do hear a lot of guns being fired every 4th of July and New Years eve in Baja Mexico.

A bar down the road from me was robbed recently by a couple of Mexicans with a shot gun who took patrons money along with cash from the cash register.

Other then that guns are supposed to be illegal here in Mexico. Guess the govmt is afraid of another 1917 Revolution.
TJ sounds like a war on the 4th and those aren't fire crackers. It's kind of funny that Indenpendance day would be an excuse for Mexican citizens to shoot illegal firearms into the sky.
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Old 03-29-2009, 02:34 PM
 
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I totally agree with the majority of what you said. From a consumer standpoint, the US and Canada's drug users/suppliers are responsible to a large degree for the success of the drug cartels.

From the weapons standpoint, I tend to believe that they are being funneled to mexico via the US illegal alien mexican gang camps and the embedded mexican drug cartel cells. To date I have yet to see any proof (serial number or otherwise) provided by any one in Calderon's administration to confirms his cries of the US being the supplier of weapons to mexico. Until I see proof, then I will remain hesitant to believe that story.
lol well if we do it in grand scale what makes you think we dont do it under the table? like when the ussr dissolve practically russia supply a lot of people with weapons if the had cash.
US Selling More Weapons to Undemocratic Regimes That Support 'War on Terror'
http://www.modernghana.com/news/206628/1/ngo-multi-national-banks-aiding-corrupt-african-re.html (broken link)

“Undue Diligence” tracked the flow of money out of a number of the world's most criticized regimes. According to Global Witness, the trail leads to, and through, a handful of the world's largest international banks, including Citigroup, Barclays, and HSBC.

''Perhaps no single policy is more at odds with President (George W.) Bush's pledge to 'end tyranny in our world' than the United States' role as the world's leading arms exporting nation,'' it says. ''All too often, U.S. arms transfers end up fueling conflict, arming human rights abusers, or falling into the hands of U.S. adversaries.''

we have a corrupt system and yet we point the fingers saying were first class world citizens? bologni...

"To date I have yet to see any proof (serial number or otherwise)" lol...thats to that.

money is fueling Mexicos internal war, and I can assure you that were the cause.

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Old 03-30-2009, 06:19 AM
 
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From the weapons standpoint, I tend to believe that they are being funneled to mexico via the US illegal alien mexican gang camps and the embedded mexican drug cartel cells. To date I have yet to see any proof (serial number or otherwise) provided by any one in Calderon's administration to confirms his cries of the US being the supplier of weapons to mexico. Until I see proof, then I will remain hesitant to believe that story.
Oh, I agree, I'm not saying that it's US government policy to arm drug cartels; that is simply good business for the thousands of licensed US arms dealers on the Mexico border, free trade if you will.

But when it comes to arming Mexico's military and police forces to fight this war on drugs, the proof is not only in the serials numbers but the speeches and conferences whose contents are open to the public:

"Mexico is using American intelligence to track the traffickers and is awaiting a fleet of American helicopters and aircraft to pursue them, part of hundreds of millions of dollars in aid initiated by President George W. Bush and expanded in recent days by President Obama."

from an article just out today:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/30/wo...o.html?_r=1&hp

As I like to say, it takes two to escalate.
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Old 03-30-2009, 07:20 AM
 
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Well, there's not much you can do against a full-scale cartel attack. At that point, you're talking about several waves of attackers arriving in armored SUVs, perhaps with mounted automatic rifles, RPGs, grenades, and substantial body armor.
The situation did not escalate to this point overnight. The government of Mexico has a long history of turning a blind eye to the goings on of the cartels and this is the end result.
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Old 03-30-2009, 07:23 AM
 
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yep right on were just as cowards as them huh. good point
If you want to see somebody stand up for something, just tell one of your illegal amigos to come break into my house some night.
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Old 03-30-2009, 09:58 AM
 
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If you want to see somebody stand up for something, just tell one of your illegal amigos to come break into my house some night.
"yeah and your father or brother who so just you trust unlocks the door for them." amigo illegals are not hiring illegals.....
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Old 03-30-2009, 10:06 AM
 
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Build more jails and start imprisioning the consumers of drugs. You will see a sharp drop in demand and the impact will be felt in Afghanistan, Mexico, Columbia, etc. If drugs are not selling - guess what - they will have no incentive to produce them. US politicians do not have the guts to do this as it will implicate the kids of people who vote for them. It is easy and politically expedient to tell others not to produce drugs. All I am saying is that we can do much more internally as a part of the effort to solve drug trade.

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Old 03-30-2009, 10:13 AM
 
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If you want to see somebody stand up for something, just tell one of your illegal amigos to come break into my house some night.
Let's not, shall we?
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Old 03-30-2009, 10:17 AM
 
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http://dark-wraith.com/images/AfghanistanOpium0.png

[IMG]http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTefM48NBJyUsBNJOjzbkF/SIG=12784lnrv/EXP=1238516152/**http%3A//dark-wraith.com/images/AfghanistanOpium0.png[/IMG]
under the taliban production = 3011 tons
under america production = 6724 tons


under our watch, wow and WE know that what they sell comes back financing the terrorist OH MY GOD....we should let the taliban govern they did a better job or simple just buy all the opium so it doesnt finance the terrorist

were corrupt and our people dont stand for nothing anymore.
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Old 03-30-2009, 10:27 AM
 
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If you want to see somebody stand up for something, just tell one of your illegal amigos to come break into my house some night.
our maybe we need to ask MILITARY genius tancredo what does he suggest in afghanistan. lol
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