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Old 03-31-2009, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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I am disgusted about this like all of the other posters. Of course an illegal alien should never be allowed to vote-but neither should a legal immigrant. While legal immigrants do follow the rules and come here the right way, they do not deserve all of the rights that American citizens do. They should not be allowed to vote.
I completely agree!!! No non-citizen should be allowed to vote and it is already happening in some places. I am and have been disgusted with this country and the fact that the citizens allow the government to do as they please, even if it means going against the constitution. I am disgusted at how the people in this country allows the constitution to be shredded before their very eyes and have for decades now.
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Old 03-31-2009, 06:03 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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OK whats the problem?
i thought we were talking about about legal residents here. its very telling that a "non citizen" is automatically put into the category as an illegal.

the reason i think this is referring to residents and other immigrants in the process of legalizing is because... if we dont even give them the right to drive, who in the hell is going to give them the right to vote?

these were my initial thoughts.

they i read the article and voila...

There's a variety of legal Maine residents who are not U.S. citizens, said Alfond, including doctors, refugees, students, hockey players and more.

they are in fact talking about lega residents.

read a lil more and voila:
"Specifics on the bill would need to be developed in the committee, but Alfond said he envisions it applying to immigrants who are here legally..."

do you guys even know what is being debated?

i would not have a problem with people who are legal residents having the right to vote in local/municipal elections.
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Old 03-31-2009, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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OK whats the problem?
i thought we were talking about about legal residents here. its very telling that a "non citizen" is automatically put into the category as an illegal.

the reason i think this is referring to residents and other immigrants in the process of legalizing is because... if we dont even give them the right to drive, who in the hell is going to give them the right to vote?

these were my initial thoughts.

they i read the article and voila...

There's a variety of legal Maine residents who are not U.S. citizens, said Alfond, including doctors, refugees, students, hockey players and more.

they are in fact talking about lega residents.

read a lil more and voila:
"Specifics on the bill would need to be developed in the committee, but Alfond said he envisions it applying to immigrants who are here legally..."

do you guys even know what is being debated?

i would not have a problem with people who are legal residents having the right to vote in local/municipal elections.
Surely you donít believe illegals have not been voting in our elections. Please explain what is stopping them. I know for a fact they have been voting in MD, courtesy of Motor Voter. As long as states continue to issue driverís licenses to illegals; and as long as the voter registration form is conveniently attached to the driverís license application, there is absolutely NOTHING preventing illegal aliens from voting.

Furthermore, illegal aliens have myriad fraudulent documentation at their disposal. They wonít have any problem qualifying as ďnon-citizens.Ē
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Old 03-31-2009, 06:54 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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but we are talking about residents here.

not illegals. if you want to talk about voter fraud, which is very very limited, then we can talk about that. but the issue at hand is giving people who are here as legal residents, who pay taxes, who support a local economy, giving those peopel a say in local politics.

whats the issue?

i could see if i was afraid a bunch of muslims wanted to institute sharia law. but that wouldnt happen. if it did, well its the will of the people. just like prop 8 was...

we cant always trust the people, but thats why we have the courts.
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Surely you donít believe illegals have not been voting in our elections. Please explain what is stopping them. I know for a fact they have been voting in MD, courtesy of Motor Voter. As long as states continue to issue driverís licenses to illegals; and as long as the voter registration form is conveniently attached to the driverís license application, there is absolutely NOTHING preventing illegal aliens from voting.

Furthermore, illegal aliens have myriad fraudulent documentation at their disposal. They wonít have any problem qualifying as ďnon-citizens.Ē
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Old 03-31-2009, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Bottom line:

Voting rights here are for US citizens only----------just like SoB, voting rights are for Mexican citizens.
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Old 03-31-2009, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Agreed. Regardless of legal status, non-citizens should have ABSOLUTLY NO SAY in who can serve in any type of governent position. Only citizens can choose the direction of this nation, according to the US Constitution.
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Old 03-31-2009, 07:30 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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taxation without representation...

interesting.

these are productive, tax paying, contributors to their communities. bieng able to vote in for school board or whatever, seems fair enough citizens. do they also not have a say in the education their children recieve?

there are deeper more complex issues. im not advocating for all new residents to vote, but lets say these folk have been here for a period of time, like 3 years, and they can pass an english/civics test, but are still waiting for their papers to come thru, why not let them vote?

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Agreed. Regardless of legal status, non-citizens should have ABSOLUTLY NO SAY in who can serve in any type of governent position. Only citizens can choose the direction of this nation, according to the US Constitution.
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Old 03-31-2009, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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but we are talking about residents here.

not illegals. if you want to talk about voter fraud, which is very very limited, then we can talk about that. but the issue at hand is giving people who are here as legal residents, who pay taxes, who support a local economy, giving those peopel a say in local politics.

whats the issue?

i could see if i was afraid a bunch of muslims wanted to institute sharia law. but that wouldnt happen. if it did, well its the will of the people. just like prop 8 was...

we cant always trust the people, but thats why we have the courts.
Perhaps something strange is happening to my computer, because I'm posting responses and they are mysteriously disappearing. This is the second today.

I'll post this response AGAIN.

Anything offered to legal immigrants will be abused by illegal aliens. Why are you trying to pretend illegals are paragons of virtue? Címon, their existence in this country depends on lying, cheating, and stealing.
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Old 03-31-2009, 07:40 PM
 
Location: SW Kansas
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OK whats the problem?
i thought we were talking about about legal residents here. its very telling that a "non citizen" is automatically put into the category as an illegal.

the reason i think this is referring to residents and other immigrants in the process of legalizing is because... if we dont even give them the right to drive, who in the hell is going to give them the right to vote?

these were my initial thoughts.

they i read the article and voila...

There's a variety of legal Maine residents who are not U.S. citizens, said Alfond, including doctors, refugees, students, hockey players and more.

they are in fact talking about lega residents.

read a lil more and voila:
"Specifics on the bill would need to be developed in the committee, but Alfond said he envisions it applying to immigrants who are here legally..."

do you guys even know what is being debated?

i would not have a problem with people who are legal residents having the right to vote in local/municipal elections.
Well I certainly have a problem with non citizens, regardless of their legal status, being given the right to vote. If they want the right to vote, become a citizen.
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Old 03-31-2009, 07:42 PM
 
Location: SW Kansas
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taxation without representation...

interesting.

these are productive, tax paying, contributors to their communities. bieng able to vote in for school board or whatever, seems fair enough citizens. do they also not have a say in the education their children recieve?

there are deeper more complex issues. im not advocating for all new residents to vote, but lets say these folk have been here for a period of time, like 3 years, and they can pass an english/civics test, but are still waiting for their papers to come thru, why not let them vote?
NO. Plain and simple. One of the great triumphs to becoming a citizen is acquiring the right to vote.
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