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Old 03-28-2009, 06:32 PM
 
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Professionals on the run from Mexico's brutal drug wars are beginning to appear in Vancouver in search of a safe haven.
This new class of would-be refugee includes lawyers, doctors, police officers and businessmen who say they are being chased out of their country by warring drug cartels whose members have resorted to torture, execution, dismemberment and decapitation to warn their enemies.
An estimated 1,100 people have died in the heated conflict already this year, following 5,300 deaths recorded last year.
As fears mount, record numbers of Mexican nationals are fleeing over the border into the United States and Canada.


Mexican asylum seekers on rise in Vancouver

Do these people ever stand up or for anything? Is anybody else beginning to think that they run from their own shadow when the room is dark.
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Old 03-28-2009, 07:30 PM
 
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Hmm does the average Mexican understand the concept of self defense? i wonder how strict are gun control laws in Mexico
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Old 03-28-2009, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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What is truly said for Mexico is these are the kinds of people that are desperately needed SoB--------and; ironically enough would be the easiest to assimilate into American/Canadian society.
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Old 03-28-2009, 07:57 PM
 
Location: So. of Rosarito, Baja, Mexico
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The only people that I know who are allowed guns "Legally" are the Military and Police. However I do hear a lot of guns being fired every 4th of July and New Years eve in Baja Mexico.

A bar down the road from me was robbed recently by a couple of Mexicans with a shot gun who took patrons money along with cash from the cash register.

Other then that guns are supposed to be illegal here in Mexico. Guess the govmt is afraid of another 1917 Revolution.
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Old 03-29-2009, 11:53 AM
 
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Professionals on the run from Mexico's brutal drug wars are beginning to appear in Vancouver in search of a safe haven.
This new class of would-be refugee includes lawyers, doctors, police officers and businessmen who say they are being chased out of their country by warring drug cartels whose members have resorted to torture, execution, dismemberment and decapitation to warn their enemies.
An estimated 1,100 people have died in the heated conflict already this year, following 5,300 deaths recorded last year.
As fears mount, record numbers of Mexican nationals are fleeing over the border into the United States and Canada.


Mexican asylum seekers on rise in Vancouver

Do these people ever stand up or for anything? Is anybody else beginning to think that they run from their own shadow when the room is dark.

Here's a great NY Times article about the economy of the drug war, especially since Calderon's election:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/26/us...ers.html?fta=y

In sum, drugs and immigrants flow into the US and Canada, US and Canada supply cartels with cash and weapons, which are used to secure the drugs crossing the border, which are traded for cash and weapons, etc . . .

In effect, the war on drugs created a real war with real refugees, with which Canada and the US must now deal. Canada is as complicit in this as the United States, although we supply more the cash than the weapons. If we don't want refugees, we should stop pressuring governments to fight wars--but that would require Canadians and Americans to stand up for something.
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Old 03-29-2009, 12:02 PM
 
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Hmm does the average Mexican understand the concept of self defense?
Well, there's not much you can do against a full-scale cartel attack. At that point, you're talking about several waves of attackers arriving in armored SUVs, perhaps with mounted automatic rifles, RPGs, grenades, and substantial body armor.
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Old 03-29-2009, 12:38 PM
 
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Here's a great NY Times article about the economy of the drug war, especially since Calderon's election:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/26/us...ers.html?fta=y

In sum, drugs and immigrants flow into the US and Canada, US and Canada supply cartels with cash and weapons, which are used to secure the drugs crossing the border, which are traded for cash and weapons, etc . . .

In effect, the war on drugs created a real war with real refugees, with which Canada and the US must now deal. Canada is as complicit in this as the United States, although we supply more the cash than the weapons. If we don't want refugees, we should stop pressuring governments to fight wars--but that would require Canadians and Americans to stand up for something.


yep right on were just as cowards as them huh. good point
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Old 03-29-2009, 12:52 PM
 
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The Raw Story | US envoy: Afghanistan drug war a failure
File:Afghanistan opium poppy cultivation 1994-2007b.PNG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The United States alone is spending over 800 million dollars a year on counter-narcotics. We have gotten nothing out of it, nothing," Ambassador Richard Holbrooke said, at the Brussels Forum conference.

"The United States alone is spending over 800 million dollars a year on counter-narcotics. We have gotten nothing out of it, nothing," Ambassador Richard Holbrooke said, at the Brussels Forum conference.




Approximately 40,000 foreign troops are fighting the war against talibans hold in afghanistan, if you and me are aware that the taliban feed on the money of opium WHY IS OPIUM PRODUCTION GROWING?
Maybe we can learn something from mexico and accept that were corrupt and just accept that our government is more of a failure than mexicos
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Old 03-29-2009, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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I don't have a problem with this; after all guns are pretty much illegal for average people in Mexico and I think they will likely assimalate fast assuming since they are well to do they probably have a more global point of view and better understanding of North America over illegals.
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Old 03-29-2009, 01:25 PM
 
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Here's a great NY Times article about the economy of the drug war, especially since Calderon's election:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/26/us...ers.html?fta=y

In sum, drugs and immigrants flow into the US and Canada, US and Canada supply cartels with cash and weapons, which are used to secure the drugs crossing the border, which are traded for cash and weapons, etc . . .

In effect, the war on drugs created a real war with real refugees, with which Canada and the US must now deal. Canada is as complicit in this as the United States, although we supply more the cash than the weapons. If we don't want refugees, we should stop pressuring governments to fight wars--but that would require Canadians and Americans to stand up for something.
I totally agree with the majority of what you said. From a consumer standpoint, the US and Canada's drug users/suppliers are responsible to a large degree for the success of the drug cartels.

From the weapons standpoint, I tend to believe that they are being funneled to mexico via the US illegal alien mexican gang camps and the embedded mexican drug cartel cells. To date I have yet to see any proof (serial number or otherwise) provided by any one in Calderon's administration to confirms his cries of the US being the supplier of weapons to mexico. Until I see proof, then I will remain hesitant to believe that story.
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