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Old 04-02-2009, 12:17 PM
 
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Yes and America looking out FIRST for her citizens is just terrible.

Well I have traveled extensively and I still believe that our laws need to be fully enforced. I do not buy into the fact that we need to solve the world's problems- I never have and I never will.

So because there is poverty elsewhere, we are supposed to be a lawless society here? We should have no laws and bring our society down to the level of others? No thanks.

Again, no one has a right to come here-no one. We already allow more legal immigrants than any other country on earth. Then throw in another 20-30 million illegal aliens.

When it comes to immigration law, I could care less what is beyond our borders. We have a right and a duty to secure our borders for the safety of our citizens. We have a right and duty to be a soverign nation. We have a right and duty to put America and her citizens first.

No amount of name calling, law breaking, pcness or tugging on the heart strings is going to change that.
What countries have you been to and for how long?
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Old 04-02-2009, 12:22 PM
 
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What countries have you been to and for how long?
How is that relevant? I really don't see how that equates to the border being secured and immigration laws being enforced. But I suppose instead of dealing with actual fact, like they are ILLEGAL and have no right to be here, we are supposed to play games to get off topic?

Are we suppose to play who is more "worldly" and who "knows better", based on how many countries they have visited and for how long? So because I have never been to country X for example I have no idea how they live and I certainly have no right to be against illegal aliens from country X? No thanks.
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Old 04-02-2009, 12:24 PM
 
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If there is a will....there is a way. The will is to allow people to come into this country and maintain our standard of living. We're smart people...we can figure this one out.
I BELIEVE there's still a method of doing that, called 'Legal Immigration'. It's been in effect for years...sounds VERY much like what you're advocating...controlled, legal, and beneficial to our society. It's a lot like the difference between inviting guests to a function at your home, as opposed to various members of the public just wandering in and out at will...(which, by the way, has NOTHING to do with your 'hating the public').

Legal immigration is worth your looking into...it can be raised or lowered in numbers, according to our needs....
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Old 04-02-2009, 12:26 PM
 
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What countries have you been to and for how long?
What kind of car do you drive, and what was your GPA in college? Do you believe in deer hunting?
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Old 04-02-2009, 12:30 PM
 
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What countries have you been to and for how long?
You don't think that entering a place illegally is wrong?

... and where do you live? I want to help myself to YOUR resouces
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Old 04-02-2009, 12:44 PM
 
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I can take the race card and cover it with my king of hearts.

My employment has allowed me to travel to many continents and illegal immigration is there also, but the "man on the street" opinions seem to be more on target and less emotional than here, IMHO.

I haven't heard the wide variety of appeasements and supposedly humanitarian excuses cited as we hear in the good old US.

They are viewed by many as illegal leeches who have not taken steps to reform their countries to a level of acceptability. Thus they are coming (with dirty luggage) into OUR nations and helping themselves to all they can.

I believe the countries that limit and enforce immigration legal and illegal will benefit greatly from doing so in many ways. The ones that don't will contend with citizen disgruntlement and a wide range of serious social issues that go with it.
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:09 PM
 
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What kind of car do you drive, and what was your GPA in college? Do you believe in deer hunting?
My GPA was a 3.2, I do like deer hunting (never been, but lots of deer in the local mountains)...But I seeing how I actually have a point with this, I want to see where the person went and for how long. It enables me to possibily relate and see why that person has that view. Oh and I drive a Mercury Sable...before a Ford Focus.
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:11 PM
 
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How is that relevant? I really don't see how that equates to the border being secured and immigration laws being enforced. But I suppose instead of dealing with actual fact, like they are ILLEGAL and have no right to be here, we are supposed to play games to get off topic?

Are we suppose to play who is more "worldly" and who "knows better", based on how many countries they have visited and for how long? So because I have never been to country X for example I have no idea how they live and I certainly have no right to be against illegal aliens from country X? No thanks.
Kinda, well, seeing how immigration is a global issue. How can you tackle immigration issues, mind you an international issue, without having any international knowledge?
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:13 PM
 
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You don't think that entering a place illegally is wrong?

... and where do you live? I want to help myself to YOUR resouces
Well, if you took my resources, worked around my house at a cheaper price, and paid for some of your way...We got an extra room!
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:17 PM
 
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I BELIEVE there's still a method of doing that, called 'Legal Immigration'. It's been in effect for years...sounds VERY much like what you're advocating...controlled, legal, and beneficial to our society. It's a lot like the difference between inviting guests to a function at your home, as opposed to various members of the public just wandering in and out at will...(which, by the way, has NOTHING to do with your 'hating the public').

Legal immigration is worth your looking into...it can be raised or lowered in numbers, according to our needs....
I beleive in a liberal, fair, open immigration policy. We should screen for criminals of course. We could institute a guest worker program. I think we have the opportunity to serve as a model for the rest of the world concerning immigration. It is an issue that every country faces.

I know that many on this board have not experience the seventh layer of hell (aka the former INS). It was inefficent, hard to navigate, and expensive. If we have a streamlined organization that quickly processes people (we have the technology and manpower), then why not?
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