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Old 04-01-2009, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Lake Norman, North Carolina
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I don't believe that having strict immigration laws works because it only allows those willing to break those laws to come in.

Just like how alcohol prohibition led to crime associated with the production and distribution of moonshine, illegal immigration leads to the Coyotes and the border tunnels. Simply put, we'll never be able to fully police the borders without a massive military presence so the safest way is to have open immigration with a system designed to maintain records on everyone who enters this country. Right now we have 10,000,000+ people around this country with no identification and who do not pay taxes...I think that's a far bigger problem than some Mexicans working in the farms of California.

In a time of economic crisis and budget gaps, don't we need to increase tax revenues? Do we really need to spend billions on a border war that is clearly being lost?

I live 10 minutes from Tijuana, so I have more invested in the border problems than basically anyone on these boards. I am thinking of my safety and the safety of my loved ones.
Yes absolutely. Strict immigration laws coupled with very lax enforcement of said strict immigration laws by a traitorous fed government has led to 20 plus million illegals breaking in and running wild in the US.

Before we do anything absurd like opening up the border further, like you suggest, and start letting in 20 plus million immigrants PER YEAR in uncontrolled immigration which would totally overwhelm our infrastructure and everything else, I'm more in favor of tough on illegals laws/tough on the employers of illegals laws which would make it very hard for illegals to live and work in the US. This would certainly discourage new illegals from breaking in in the first place and without jobs eventually force the illegals already here to self deport themselves back to where they came from. They would be cut off from welfare also. Voila. The illegal Mexican invasion would finally be slowed, stopped and reversed.
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Old 04-01-2009, 12:25 PM
 
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OK. Why do you support comprehensive immigration reform?
If mass deportation or amnesty have no chances to be implemented; A solution that includes deportation provitions for undocumented with criminal record, improve security and a path of legalization for those who qualified (yet to be determined by congress)is a reasonable solution. Status Quo has only been part of the problem.
Not a perfect solution for everybody, but in my opinion is a realistic approach.
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Old 04-01-2009, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Lake Norman, North Carolina
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If mass deportation or amnesty have no chances to be implemented; A solution that includes deportation provitions for undocumented with criminal record, improve security and a path of legalization for those who qualified (yet to be determined by congress)is a reasonable solution. Status Quo has only been part of the problem.
Not a perfect solution for everybody, but in my opinion is a realistic approach.
Well, you no doubt stand to gain somehow by an amnesty, but legalizing criminals who have broken into the country, use fake identities every day that they are here, and make a mockery of our LEGAL immigration system does seem to be far more absurd and ludicrous than reasonable.

Do you actually think that you have built any case whatsoever for amnesty?
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Old 04-01-2009, 01:01 PM
 
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Well, you no doubt stand to gain somehow by an amnesty, but legalizing criminals who have broken into the country, use fake identities every day that they are here, and make a mockery of our LEGAL immigration system does seem to be far more absurd and ludicrous than reasonable.

Do you actually think that you have built any case whatsoever for amnesty?
ANDREABETH asked for my opinion, well that's my OPINION. You can agreed or disagreed, is not relevant.
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Old 04-01-2009, 01:34 PM
 
Location: The world, where will fate take me this time?
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Please remember that as there is a thread where users that are upset with illegal immigrants can express their opinions, this thread was created with the purpose of those who support illegal immigrants can express themselves.

There is no absolute truth, if there are people backing both sides they must have their reasons, whether they are valid to you or not, so please let them express their reasons, thanks
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Old 04-01-2009, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Lake Norman, North Carolina
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ANDREABETH asked for my opinion, well that's my OPINION. You can agreed or disagreed, is not relevant.
No problemo. It's just that the OP asked for REASONS for supporting an amnesty, not opinions. If you don't really have any reasons for supporting amnesty or any defense for amnesty, that's OK too.
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Old 04-01-2009, 02:25 PM
 
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No problemo. It's just that the OP asked for REASONS for supporting an amnesty, not opinions. If you don't really have any reasons for supporting amnesty or any defense for amnesty, that's OK too.
Maybe because I DON'T SUPPORT AMNESTY. Nor I intended to defend amnesty. The OP asked me why I supported Comprehensive Immigration Reform. (Amnesty was never part of the equation)

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Old 04-01-2009, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Lake Norman, North Carolina
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May be because I DON'T SUPPORT AMNESTY. Nor I intended to defend amnesty. The OP asked me why I supported Comprehensive Immigration Reform. (Amnesty was never part of the equation)
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Ok, we've already heard the reasons why people reject amnesty for illegals or want them deported, now tell us, why do you support them? after we get enough answers we can create a poll to see what is the main reason.
Not to be picky or anything, but did you ever think that maybe you're in the wrong OP then? Maybe you don't realize that CIR is amnesty?
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Old 04-01-2009, 03:11 PM
 
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OK. Why do you support comprehensive immigration reform?
This was the question I answered. (I agree wasn't the OP) To make it clear again I support Comprehensive Immigration Reform NOT AMNESTY. You can call it whatever you want.
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Old 04-01-2009, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Lake Norman, North Carolina
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This was the question I answered. (I agree wasn't the OP) To make it clear again I support Comprehensive Immigration Reform NOT AMNESTY. You can call it whatever you want.
Holding immigration enforcement hostage until an amnesty happens is somehow reform?
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