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Old 04-04-2009, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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It's dumb to implement policies that might have negative public health consequences. Degrading services like sanitation is how you end up with things like cholera outbreaks, which would impose huge costs on the state anyway.
Allowing large numbers of illegal aliens to live in the USA as well as birthright citizenship for their US born children are indeed dumb policies.

 
Old 04-04-2009, 08:22 AM
 
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Sure, but that's the overall issue. When the specific issue is sanitation and public health, we ought to promote sanitation and public health above all.
 
Old 04-04-2009, 09:11 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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And this is what I call ignorance. You have no idea of how people live in their countries. How can you comment about something you have never seen or experienced? There is no evidence that supports your claim that they are not wanted or cared about in their countries.

You can take running water away from people but you will run into a violation of human rights. Plain and simple.
Your posts have been the foundation of ignorance on this subject. I've been all over Mexico and Central America and dirt floors and a communal source of water are the norm in many ,many villages. Please tell my why the Mexican govt hasn't fixed this? We'll wait for your answer.

If you are really worried about this you have every right to crack open your wallet and donate all of your funds to groups that promote the well being of Illegal Immigrants. Frankly, I'm tired of being forced to adopt these people for the benefit of a few hiring scab labor.
 
Old 04-04-2009, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Lake Norman, North Carolina
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I understand but taking water away from them, "A human basic need" is not going to help the situation. Dont you think that this is one more battle that in the end they will win because a basic human need was taken away from them? There has got to be a better way to deal with immigration.
Not allowing unauthorized people to receive a municipal service reserved for citizens can hardly be characterized as "taking water away from them". After all, they aren't exactly in the middle of the desert 50 miles from the nearest water hole and heartless people are keeping them from life sustaining water. They can get water from countless sources, just not from the municipal water service. Only an IA apologizer/enabler with an agenda would have any problem with this, since IA apologizers/enablers with their agendas always have a problem with anything that makes it more difficult for illegal squatters to live and stay illegally in the US.

Perhaps you can give us some help coming up with a better, more humane way, to kick out illegal squatters that aren't wanted.
 
Old 04-04-2009, 10:25 AM
 
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Your posts have been the foundation of ignorance on this subject. I've been all over Mexico and Central America and dirt floors and a communal source of water are the norm in many ,many villages. Please tell my why the Mexican govt hasn't fixed this? We'll wait for your answer.

If you are really worried about this you have every right to crack open your wallet and donate all of your funds to groups that promote the well being of Illegal Immigrants. Frankly, I'm tired of being forced to adopt these people for the benefit of a few hiring scab labor.
Exploitation from Western and local interests, IMF failures to address local economics, unfair trade policies, lack of acquired wealth from colonialism, local corruption, local money allocated for Western interests (war on drug example), aid with the wrong strings attached (IMF, war on drug example again)...
 
Old 04-04-2009, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Sure, but that's the overall issue. When the specific issue is sanitation and public health, we ought to promote sanitation and public health above all.
If here illegally: said individuals need to be deported and have their assets seized as well.

Again: it should be made a living hell (within the law) for illegal aliens and their enablers.
 
Old 04-04-2009, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Exploitation from Western and local interests, IMF failures to address local economics, unfair trade policies, lack of acquired wealth from colonialism, local corruption, local money allocated for Western interests (war on drug example), aid with the wrong strings attached (IMF, war on drug example again)...
Interesting.

Several countries in just the last 60 years rebuilt themselves from ruin back into economic powerhouses despite horrific losses of their colones (Japan) as well as manpower/patents (Germany).

For that matter: Ireland, Italy and Spain from from poverty to affluence within that same 60 year timeline----------and, both Italy and Spain had war damage as well just 10 years previous.

Mexico has not had any sort of war (drug wars do not count) since 1910.

I put the cause of Mexico's woes directly on its dysfunctional culture---------think stereotypical Appalachian PW Trash of 50-60 years ago.

Face it: $14,500 a year per capita ain't 'poor' by most nation's standards. Race card does not apply since Argentina's per capita is virtually identical--------and, that nation is 97% White.
 
Old 04-04-2009, 10:39 AM
 
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Interesting.

Several countries in just the last 60 years rebuilt themselves from ruin back into economic powerhouses despite horrific losses of their colones (Japan) as well as manpower/patents (Germany).

For that matter: Ireland, Italy and Spain from from poverty to affluence within that same 60 year timeline----------and, both Italy and Spain had war damage as well just 10 years previous.

Mexico has not had any sort of war (drug wars do not count) since 1910.

I put the cause of Mexico's woes directly on its dysfunctional culture---------think stereotypical Appalachian PW Trash of 50-60 years ago.

Face it: $14,500 a year per capita ain't 'poor' by most nation's standards. Race card does not apply since Argentina's per capita is virtually identical--------and, that nation is 97% White.
Acquired wealth from colonial nations. Ireland, Spain, and Italy were far from poverty. War on drugs does count. Why do you think a dysfunctional culture exists? There is a huge gap in wealth in Mexico. Race does play into it...(why are the majority of Mexico and Latin America's rich, but again this is more acquired wealth). Argentina suffered from neo-colonialism most of the nation's history.

Any other questions?
 
Old 04-04-2009, 10:51 AM
 
Location: The world, where will fate take me this time?
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Interesting.

Several countries in just the last 60 years rebuilt themselves from ruin back into economic powerhouses despite horrific losses of their colones (Japan) as well as manpower/patents (Germany).

For that matter: Ireland, Italy and Spain from from poverty to affluence within that same 60 year timeline----------and, both Italy and Spain had war damage as well just 10 years previous.

Mexico has not had any sort of war (drug wars do not count) since 1910.

I put the cause of Mexico's woes directly on its dysfunctional culture---------think stereotypical Appalachian PW Trash of 50-60 years ago.

Face it: $14,500 a year per capita ain't 'poor' by most nation's standards. Race card does not apply since Argentina's per capita is virtually identical--------and, that nation is 97% White.
More than a dysfunctional culture AB, you have to remember that Mexico lived under a defacto dictatorship, until 02-07-2000 when Vicente Fox won the elections and democracy started, before this, the average citizen, didin't have a say in the government's decisions or felt represented by them, these changes started with Zedillo's term, that slowly gave more freedoms and participation to citizens, he also paved the way for democracy and Fox's arrival, Fox's term was a transitory period where important changes were made, like economic estability, yet few reforms were made during his presidency, due to inmaturity from part of congress, and lack of experience of having to work in a democratic society, combined with Fox's lack of diplomacy or experience. Yet the progresses made in 9 years of Democracy have been remarkable.

Even though Argentina's percapita is similar to Mexico's the Mexican society and economy is in much better shape than theirs, progressive Latin American countries like Mexico, Chile and Brazil, have reached economical stability that argentina lacks, they also have created social and welfare programs, and have made great progresses in civil liberties, freedom of speech and global influence, the US government acknowledges these progresses that now high level meetings are held between the governments of our countries, these amount of high level encounters and joint work between officials of both countries had never happened before in our entire history.

Even though we are now facing through a hard and long transitory period with the crisis and drug wars, this has waken up our governments and brought them closer, I believe the future is bright

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Old 04-04-2009, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Full time in the RV
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