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Old 04-04-2009, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Originally Posted by ArizonaBear View Post
Irrelevant:

I can safely say that 100% of all illegal aliens age 18+ are criminals factoring in ID theft, etc. and a large minority of same are violent to boot.

Again: we have our homegrown trash and certainly do not need additional imports.
It's VERY relevant when someone is trying to spin a news story to make it seem like the majority of violent crime can be attributed to illegals, when that's not the case.

A large minority? Oxymoron?
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Old 04-04-2009, 03:17 PM
 
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In actual fact NOBODY knows how many crimes illegal aliens commit because legal status is not a data element in the National (Crime) Incidence Based Reporting System that the FEDs and almost all state law enforcement agencies use. Nobody knows whether illegal aliens commit more or less crimes than legal immigrants or citizens. Anybody that says otherwise as a fact doesn't know what they are talking about.

CJIS Division Uniform Crime Reporting/National Incident-Based Reporting System (http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/ucr.htm - broken link)

There are, however, indications, including limited studies (Maricopa County, AZ, most recently) and various other reports, like the anecdotal report from Prince William County at the start of this thread, that suggest that illegal immigrants do commit more crime on a per capita basis than legal immigrants and citizens.

Since most things in life are a cost/benefit trade-off, like alcohol tolerance versus drunk driving deaths, the question for those who don't think illegal aliens commit that much crime is:

In tolerating illegal immigration, EXACTLY how many Americans is it acceptable with YOU to be molested, raped, seriously injured, killed, and murdered by foreign national law breakers who are not supposed to be in the country to begin with?

What is it that the liberals like to say....if it will only save the life of one child....

In actual fact that is a species argument. Does anybody reading this thread know how many children a year die from Tylenol poisoning? Should we ban acetaminophen because a few kids die from it? No, because the good far outweighs the bad. Is it any different with illegal immigration?

Thus:

Is 100 kids being molested acceptable collateral damage? If not, what number?

Is 50 women being raped acceptable collateral damage? If not, what number?

Is 75 people killed by drunk driving illegal aliens acceptable? If not, what number?

Is 25 people being killed and murdered acceptable collateral damage? If not, what number?

In tolerating illegal immigration, how much collateral damage are YOU willing to accept?
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Old 04-04-2009, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth/Dallas
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Of course you didn't see them in that article..it was written by the hacks at sites like worldnetdaily that take figures from reliable, legit news sources, and spin their own biased stories around them without linking to a real news site where they got their info.

This is the full story:

Violent crime on decline in Prince William County | InsideNova.com (http://www.insidenova.com/isn/news/crime/article/violent_crime_on_decline_in_prince_william_county/32982/ - broken link)
Thanks for the link to the full story.
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Old 04-04-2009, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Thanks for the link to the full story.
yup
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Old 04-05-2009, 08:26 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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In actual fact NOBODY knows how many crimes illegal aliens commit because legal status is not a data element in the National (Crime) Incidence Based Reporting System that the FEDs and almost all state law enforcement agencies use. Nobody knows whether illegal aliens commit more or less crimes than legal immigrants or citizens. Anybody that says otherwise as a fact doesn't know what they are talking about.

CJIS Division Uniform Crime Reporting/National Incident-Based Reporting System (http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/ucr.htm - broken link)

There are, however, indications, including limited studies (Maricopa County, AZ, most recently) and various other reports, like the anecdotal report from Prince William County at the start of this thread, that suggest that illegal immigrants do commit more crime on a per capita basis than legal immigrants and citizens.

Since most things in life are a cost/benefit trade-off, like alcohol tolerance versus drunk driving deaths, the question for those who don't think illegal aliens commit that much crime is:

In tolerating illegal immigration, EXACTLY how many Americans is it acceptable with YOU to be molested, raped, seriously injured, killed, and murdered by foreign national law breakers who are not supposed to be in the country to begin with?

What is it that the liberals like to say....if it will only save the life of one child....

In actual fact that is a species argument. Does anybody reading this thread know how many children a year die from Tylenol poisoning? Should we ban acetaminophen because a few kids die from it? No, because the good far outweighs the bad. Is it any different with illegal immigration?

Thus:

Is 100 kids being molested acceptable collateral damage? If not, what number?

Is 50 women being raped acceptable collateral damage? If not, what number?

Is 75 people killed by drunk driving illegal aliens acceptable? If not, what number?

Is 25 people being killed and murdered acceptable collateral damage? If not, what number?

In tolerating illegal immigration, how much collateral damage are YOU willing to accept?
Well, judging by their posts the Pro-Illegal crowd are quite happy with a high level of crime from Illegal Aliens. Most change their tune when it affects them personally.
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Old 04-05-2009, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Well, judging by their posts the Pro-Illegal crowd are quite happy with a high level of crime from Illegal Aliens. Most change their tune when it affects them personally.
Which leads to the old joke:

When does a 'liberal' become a 'conservative'?

When he/she has been victimized.
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Old 04-05-2009, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Well, judging by their posts the Pro-Illegal crowd are quite happy with a high level of crime from Illegal Aliens. Most change their tune when it affects them personally.
They all start singing a different song when THEY are the victim. That happens a lot these days, but , who knows? A brighter future perhaps. With the economy going down hill, something has to give less, we have another 30's (dust bowl) depression. Sometimes it seems like the government is promoting a "Policy of Failure" on this issue. Could be im wrong though, Guess time will tell.
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Old 04-05-2009, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Which leads to the old joke:

When does a 'liberal' become a 'conservative'?

When he/she has been victimized.
Where did you get that one from?
Victimized by who, I wonder?
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Old 04-05-2009, 04:53 PM
 
Location: South FL
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[ab]Report confirms aggravated assault down by 36.5%

Following a crackdown on illegal immigration, officials in Prince William County in northern Virginia are reporting their numbers reveal a significant decrease in violent crimes committed. [/b]

The violent crime rate in Prince William County plummeted 22 percent in 2008, according to new reports.

In recent years, the county had experienced a steady influx of illegal immigrants that led to its development of one of the most aggressive immigration policies in the nation.


Crackdown on illegals produces crime decline

Imagine how much the percentage of violent crimes would decline if we were able to get rid of 95% of them.
Good, now the hard working people of America can breath easier.

I just hope they work even harder to kick all of them out.
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Old 04-05-2009, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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As i've stated before, if even one US citizen has been a victim of illegal alien crime, than this is unacceptable! If the border was protected and the immigration policy was being followed, then there would be very little crime perpetuated by illegals.
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