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Old 04-08-2009, 03:29 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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reputable sources please.

i looked at the FBI, LAPD and Sherriff Most wanted lists, rarely do they mention citizenship. and when they do they just show place of birth, which does not necessarily mean illegal.

you cant back up your claim. just another example of how folk enjoy the use of hyperbole...

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Well, since 95% of murder warrants are for Illegal Aliens I'm going to imply that stat goes along with the 10 most wanted. If you are ok with denying that then fine They aren't on that list for shoplifting.

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Old 04-08-2009, 05:20 PM
 
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Well, since 95% of murder warrants are for Illegal Aliens I'm going to imply that stat goes along with the 10 most wanted. If you are ok with denying that then fine They aren't on that list for shoplifting.

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All Most Wanted - official website of THE LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT

[SIZE=2]2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens-[/SIZE][SIZE=2]Mostly Truth!
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[SIZE=2]The most commonly quoted source for this is a report by Heather McDonald and published by the Center for Immigration Studies. She repeated her research on April 13, 2005 in testimony before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on "Immigration, Border Security, and Claims" saying that 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide in Los Angeles targeted illegal aliens.[/SIZE]
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens-[SIZE=2]Unproven!
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[SIZE=2]We could not find anything to substantiate this. If you browse through the Most Wanted list for the Los Angeles Police Department there are a lot of foreign-born listed, but not how many of them may be illegal aliens.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2][SIZE=2]11. Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops,[/SIZE][SIZE=2] but 29% are on welfare-[/SIZE][SIZE=2]Fiction!
[/SIZE][SIZE=2]The U.S. department of Labor said that the number of farm workers who were undocumented in 1998-1998 was 52% .
Regarding welfare, most illegal immigrants are not eligible for welfare except for elementary and high school education and emergency medical care. Children born in the U.S. are citizens and qualify for certain public assistance. But what is generally thought of as welfare is available only to citizens or legal immigrants.
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again till they prove that the house judiciary subcommittee are wrong then Ill think otherwise before beleiving a bunch of "some college" dudes.

have you notice that all the losers tend to hate immigration, good thing that the folks with the money love immigrants.
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Old 04-08-2009, 05:21 PM
 
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reputable sources please.

i looked at the FBI, LAPD and Sherriff Most wanted lists, rarely do they mention citizenship. and when they do they just show place of birth, which does not necessarily mean illegal.

you cant back up your claim. just another example of how folk enjoy the use of hyperbole...
sorry lol...I posted the same post you did...
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Old 04-08-2009, 06:46 PM
 
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But doesn't that mean the crimes of legal and illegal immigrants combined still fall short of claims made by certain people?
As far as comparisons with citizens? And percentages of crime committed in the country?

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The Myth: There is an "illegal alien crime wave" sweeping the country.
The claim being made by certain people (Lou Dobbs, Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck) is that an illegal alien crime wave is sweeping the nation. As noted previously, all three are TV show hosts and there are some behaviors that draw in an audience more than others. A clip of someone on a blistering rampage about illegal immigration (or any other hot topic) will make the rounds on youtube and increase interest in the program whereas an academic type smoking a pipe in his study and discussing the exact same issue may cause people to fall asleep. Or at least change the channel.

The only thing I can gather from all this is that illegal aliens may be less likely to commit crimes that are punishable by incarceration. If they are caught, which becomes more difficult when one can easily purchase a new identity or hightail it back across the border.

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The Truth: There is no evidence to indicate that undocumented immigrants are more likely to commit crimes than American citizens;the evidence strongly suggests that immigrants in general are less likely to commit crimes.
In terms of overall criminality, the illegal aliens are far worse than the average US citizen, IMO. Illegal aliens in general are not known for their willingness to abide by the law. This is mainly due to cultural differences that have been discussed many times on this board. IMO, they see little need to obey the law if it is not advantageous for them to do so and honestly do not seem very repentant when confronted with evidence of their crimes. It is always somebody else's fault- the gringo stole their land, they are oppressed by the white devil, someone destroyed their culture at some point in time, etc. therefore it is OK if they steal an ID or drive without a license. There is no sense of wrongdoing. The prevailing attitude seems to be 'let's see what I can get away with'. When these women who cross the border to give birth are informed that the US taxpayer will have to pay their hospital bills, this just does not seem to bother them. A typical response is something along the lines of "Oh well, they have plenty of money they can afford it" or spout some platitiude like "God will take care of everything". When you have millions of people who see nothing wrong with basically breaking and entering another country to benefit themselves, why would anyone think that they are going to see buying a forged SS# as a crime?

While fewer of them may end up in jail, it is the collective weight of these lesser crimes that eventually exceeds the tolerance of the US citizenry.
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Old 04-08-2009, 07:16 PM
 
Location: El Paso
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It does not take a genius to figure out the damage Immigrants...legal, or otherwise cause this country. Just take a trip to ANY emergency room at any hospital they are full of them. The media is astonishingly sympathetic to immigrants ignoring the damage they have done to our economy, our health care, our education system, and our subsidies. Anti-immigrant sentiment is still in its infancy, and growing. I work in healthcare; you think these cases of tuberculosis, typhoid, diptheria are imaginary?? It's about as imaginary as the health insurance as they all carry. The sympathizers have created this laughable excuse, that "they do, the jobs Americans don't want to do." There is NO such thing as a job that an American won't do! There is, however, a job that will not support a citizen of this country enough money to live, therefore they will avoid that job. IF low paying jobs do not support a citizen, then they will definetly not support an immigrant either! Jobs that would traditionally be done by teenagers hoping to earn some extra money have dissapeared because of immigrants.

What exactly do you think someone who does not speak English, who has never been to school, who has children he or she has no means of supporting can offer a country, which only has use for specialized skills requiring years of formal academic education, if that (which is expensive to begin with) to this great country of ours?? They have nothing to offer, they are nothing but a liability.

California is becoming emblazoned as the poster child of what is ahead for the rest of this country. You see these people (foreigners) laughing and joking in our faces in broken English, if that. Laughing about the abuse they are allowed to get away with. Making babies to anchor their citizenship. One out of every seven legal workers in this country was born in a foreign country, this is one of the reasons why jobs are so scarce! Because immigration quotas have become so relaxed. Our economy will never fully recover unless we stop this insanity.
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Old 04-08-2009, 09:22 PM
 
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It does not take a genius to figure out the damage Immigrants...legal, or otherwise cause this country. Just take a trip to ANY emergency room at any hospital they are full of them. The media is astonishingly sympathetic to immigrants ignoring the damage they have done to our economy, our health care, our education system, and our subsidies. Anti-immigrant sentiment is still in its infancy, and growing. I work in healthcare; you think these cases of tuberculosis, typhoid, diptheria are imaginary?? It's about as imaginary as the health insurance as they all carry. The sympathizers have created this laughable excuse, that "they do, the jobs Americans don't want to do." There is NO such thing as a job that an American won't do! There is, however, a job that will not support a citizen of this country enough money to live, therefore they will avoid that job. IF low paying jobs do not support a citizen, then they will definetly not support an immigrant either! Jobs that would traditionally be done by teenagers hoping to earn some extra money have dissapeared because of immigrants.

What exactly do you think someone who does not speak English, who has never been to school, who has children he or she has no means of supporting can offer a country, which only has use for specialized skills requiring years of formal academic education, if that (which is expensive to begin with) to this great country of ours?? They have nothing to offer, they are nothing but a liability.

California is becoming emblazoned as the poster child of what is ahead for the rest of this country. You see these people (foreigners) laughing and joking in our faces in broken English, if that. Laughing about the abuse they are allowed to get away with. Making babies to anchor their citizenship. One out of every seven legal workers in this country was born in a foreign country, this is one of the reasons why jobs are so scarce! Because immigration quotas have become so relaxed. Our economy will never fully recover unless we stop this insanity.
Our economy fell because of horrible lending, outrageous home prices, and over consumption. Not because of immigration.

California, prior to the crash, was home to the hottest economy in the nation. California boosted the silicon valley and the biggest biotechnology corridor in the nation.

However, people flipped their McMansions for ridiculous profits. This is what led to the crash.

As for illegals and crime. It is a slippery slope to say that since a person crossed the border to help themselves/family, that person is more capable to commit greater crimes (rape, murder). There is a huge disconnect in terms of the psychology of coming without papers, and killing a person.
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Old 04-08-2009, 09:55 PM
 
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However, people flipped their McMansions for ridiculous profits. This is what led to the crash.

As for illegals and crime. It is a slippery slope to say that since a person crossed the border to help themselves/family, that person is more capable to commit greater crimes (rape, murder). There is a huge disconnect in terms of the psychology of coming without papers, and killing a person.
Not so fast there....not all of us 'flipped our McMansions'....and a large number of hospitals in this area HAVE closed their emergency rooms over the past few years, due to an intolerable load of 'indigent' patients, unable to pay for their care, yet forbidden by law to be 'NOT treated'...whether any of these 'indigents' are illegals or not, of COURSE there's no 'proof'. But I think the illegals are at LEAST as guilty as the 'flippers'.

And as one with a LONG history of knowing, working with, and associating with illegals, and a LONG-time defender of these folks as 'people', not by definition violent crminals, still, some of them ARE.....and whether the illegals, as a group, have a WORSE record of violence than 'locals'; the SAME record; or even a BETTER record in regards to violent behavior, the fact remains thar illegals shouldn't be committing ANY violent crimes at ALL, because legally, they shouldn't BE here.

If YOUR kids tear your house up, that's bad....but if MY kids tear your house up, that's WORSE...because MY kids shouldn't be in YOUR house, unless you invite them. And that holds true, whether my kids are 'better' than yours, or not..they STILL don't belong in YOUR house.
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Old 04-08-2009, 10:07 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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reputable sources please.

i looked at the FBI, LAPD and Sherriff Most wanted lists, rarely do they mention citizenship. and when they do they just show place of birth, which does not necessarily mean illegal.

you cant back up your claim. just another example of how folk enjoy the use of hyperbole...
I happen to know a Crime Analyst very well, let's put it at that

Or we can do as you would like, rub some dirt on it and it will all go away.
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Old 04-08-2009, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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I happen to know a Crime Analyst very well, let's put it at that

Or we can do as you would like, rub some dirt on it and it will all go away.
......okay...what's that mean? Did your friend work on the leading studies that suggest immigrants, legal and illegal combined, aren't committing crime on the scale some are suggesting illegals alone are?
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Old 04-08-2009, 11:56 PM
 
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Not so fast there....not all of us 'flipped our McMansions'....and a large number of hospitals in this area HAVE closed their emergency rooms over the past few years, due to an intolerable load of 'indigent' patients, unable to pay for their care, yet forbidden by law to be 'NOT treated'...whether any of these 'indigents' are illegals or not, of COURSE there's no 'proof'. But I think the illegals are at LEAST as guilty as the 'flippers'.

And as one with a LONG history of knowing, working with, and associating with illegals, and a LONG-time defender of these folks as 'people', not by definition violent crminals, still, some of them ARE.....and whether the illegals, as a group, have a WORSE record of violence than 'locals'; the SAME record; or even a BETTER record in regards to violent behavior, the fact remains thar illegals shouldn't be committing ANY violent crimes at ALL, because legally, they shouldn't BE here.

If YOUR kids tear your house up, that's bad....but if MY kids tear your house up, that's WORSE...because MY kids shouldn't be in YOUR house, unless you invite them. And that holds true, whether my kids are 'better' than yours, or not..they STILL don't belong in YOUR house.


this analogy, doesnt buy Mexico since it started the bracero program since world war 2, "why Mexico" more then fifty percent of illegals come from that place. When Mexico started the program the only thing that it asked for was for american companies to hire Mexicans the legal way, pay them descent wages, and treat them humanly. Everytime Mexico applied it we broke their laws how, not listening and bribing Mexican officials, and their populations. exploit them and when not needed without the care of the world just send them back.

that analogy doesnt buy, either the mom or the father "whoever you want representing the chamber of commerce, our politicians, or the small companies hiring them" tried adopting that child, and everytime they ran into a recession mommy or daddy lost the job the only scapegoat that
they could find was the child they tried to adopt.

illegals did brake a rule, but we make the laws and if we dont enforce them the laws that we so tried to implement on them, what value do they have if we dont enforce them? to a degree the illegal did brake the law
BUT WE MAKE THEM, EXPLOIT THEM AND CHEAT THE TAXPAYER
SO YOU NEED TO COME UP WITH A DIFFRENT ANALOGY WITH YOUR ABSURD COMPARISON BECAUSE itself doesnt buy.
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