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I'd like to understand everyone's views on how they would solve the illegal immigration issue whether you are in favor (antialphabet, that1guy, blacknight4, iturbide etc.) or opposed to it (arizonabear, mamalute, jjwebster, antireconquista, jdubsmom, macmeal etc.)
Please, everyone respond and be as precise as possible.
1. More accountability, monitoring and enforcement from the federal government on visa overstays. The President has a lot of nerve holding up the Post Office as an example of poorly working government when the government can't even keep tabs on the people entering this country legally and then who disappear after their visa expires. Instead of putting his nose in our personal medical decisions, he needs to take care of the business of keeping us safe as a country. I thought this was a bigger deal than the media reported when President Bush was President, too.
2. Immediately, cut off the federal money for any sanctuary city.
3. Any business person hiring an illegal immigrant gets an automatic mandatory 30 days in jail as well as the usual fines/tax penalties.
4. No public schools for illegal immigrant children. Period.
5. No anchor babies. Repeal that law.
6. Increase the number of legal immigrants allowed in the country. I concur that many are productive people. Increase the quotas currently on the books.
7. Enforce the laws already on the books.
8. Shoot to kill every drug dealer caught coming across the border.
9. When the troops leave Afghanistan send them to Mexico to fight drug traffickers with the consent of the Mexican government. Send US businessmen into Mexico to help them do the planning to exploit their coastlines and great weather for increased travel and tourism. Hotels and casinos on one coast. Family vacation spots on the other. It should be a primo vacation spot in the world. The travel and tourism industry employs a lot of less educated people in a variety of jobs. The building and roads to accommodate massive tourism would also employ a lot of people. Give poor Mexicans a reason to want to stay in Mexico. Give the drug traffickers a reason to make more money in a legit business.
1. More accountability, monitoring and enforcement from the federal government on visa overstays. The President has a lot of nerve holding up the Post Office as an example of poorly working government when the government can't even keep tabs on the people entering this country legally and then who disappear after their visa expires. Instead of putting his nose in our personal medical decisions, he needs to take care of the business of keeping us safe as a country. I thought this was a bigger deal than the media reported when President Bush was President, too.
2. Immediately, cut off the federal money for any sanctuary city.
3. Any business person hiring an illegal immigrant gets an automatic mandatory 30 days in jail as well as the usual fines/tax penalties.
4. No public schools for illegal immigrant children. Period.
5. No anchor babies. Repeal that law.
6. Increase the number of legal immigrants allowed in the country. I concur that many are productive people. Increase the quotas currently on the books.
7. Enforce the laws already on the books.
8. Shoot to kill every drug dealer caught coming across the border.
9. When the troops leave Afghanistan send them to Mexico to fight drug traffickers with the consent of the Mexican government. Send US businessmen into Mexico to help them do the planning to exploit their coastlines and great weather for increased travel and tourism. Hotels and casinos on one coast. Family vacation spots on the other. It should be a primo vacation spot in the world. The travel and tourism industry employs a lot of less educated people in a variety of jobs. The building and roads to accommodate massive tourism would also employ a lot of people. Give poor Mexicans a reason to want to stay in Mexico. Give the drug traffickers a reason to make more money in a legit business.
#1...unikely to ever happen. If they aren't willing to be 'accountable' now, what makes you think politicians will suddenly agree to it in the future ?..
#6...Illegals today would tell you there's a cheap, easy, sure-fire way to increase legal immigrants..by legalizing THEM !!...Unfortunately, many of them would stand to lose their jobs shortly thereafter, because they work for employers who 'can't AFFORD' to employ legal workers....
#7....Makes sense, I agree. But how do you propose "making" people enforce laws that they are already SWORN to enforce....and have simply chosen NOT to?
#8...America does not "shoot people" without a compelling reason, and let's hope it never begins...You can't tell who's a 'drug dealer' until he's in custody...and once he's in custody, 'shooting him' becomes murder....
#9...For a variety of historical reasons, the Mexican government would NEVER agree to "let" the American military enter Mexican territory, to do ANYTHING...particularly to shoot other Mexicans. This is a preposterous suggestion. The Mexican government would COLLAPSE before it sought American military "help"..and any Mexican official who ATTEMPTED such a move would be instanty tossed out of office.
Would the USA allow 'Mexican troops' to enter California...or Florida..or New Jersey...to capture and arrest the Hells Angels...or the Cosa Nostra?...or to help us catch our 'Meth heads'? Not likely...NOR would any American politician suggest such a thing.
[quote=macmeal;10733267[B]]#1...unikely to ever happen. If they aren't willing to be 'accountable' now, what makes you think politicians will suddenly agree to it in the future ?..[/b]
Wasn't talking about politicians being accountable. Isn't it Homeland Security's job to track down visa overstays? If they aren't doing the job, it should be taken away from them, along with their funding for doing it and be given to some agency who can come up with a way to do the job, effectively. If you tell me there is no government agency that can do something effectively, thank you for making my argument not to let them get involved in Obamacare.
#7....Makes sense, I agree. But how do you propose "making" people enforce laws that they are already SWORN to enforce....and have simply chosen NOT to?
You cut off their federal funding and arrest them for aiding and abetting.
#8...America does not "shoot people" without a compelling reason, and let's hope it never begins...You can't tell who's a 'drug dealer' until he's in custody...and once he's in custody, 'shooting him' becomes murder....
The act of crossing the border illegally should demand those people be fired upon. Isn't that why we have a border? We don't have a border to keep people in. We have one to keep people out. But we have legal "gates" and we expect people to come through the gate. Is it okay for people you don't know to enter your home through the windows? Can you shoot them if they come in through the windows and don't come to the door to be invited in?
#9...For a variety of historical reasons, the Mexican government would NEVER agree to "let" the American military enter Mexican territory, to do ANYTHING...particularly to shoot other Mexicans. This is a preposterous suggestion. The Mexican government would COLLAPSE before it sought American military "help"..and any Mexican official who ATTEMPTED such a move would be instanty tossed out of office.
Would the USA allow 'Mexican troops' to enter California...or Florida..or New Jersey...to capture and arrest the Hells Angels...or the Cosa Nostra?...or to help us catch our 'Meth heads'? Not likely...NOR would any American politician suggest such a thing.[/
Let me think about it. I might be okay with it. As far as the politicians go, how have their attempts to address gangs, drugs and organized crime been working out for us?
We actually do have a lot of experience with enforcing border security. Unfortunately its other peoples borders like N.Korea germany and the fence line in Cuba.
The use of a wall, drones, motion sensors simplifies the task and reduces the need for a large force.
Bring those troops home and let Korea patrol their own border.
Suppliment the force with fresh recruits. They get some hands on experience patroling and acting like soldiers before being thrown into a war. That is a win win deal.
Enforce our immigration laws starting with the employers, then landlords and finally the illegals.
Raise the penalties to include mandatory jail time for employers who knowingly hire an Illegal. That would include Joe home owner to cheap to hire a licensed professional. Fines should start at 5 grand per offence. In other words 2 illegals would cost an employer 10 grand. 20 = 100,000 grand.
End anchor baby status. The 14th was never intended for that anyway.
Last but not least make it mandatory for all schools, hospitals or any gov agency to report illegals as they are discovered.
The illegals will be forced to self deport.
excellent post! also, bill the home countries for any hospital services performed for illegal immigrants. after all, why should american taxpayers have to pay for the health care of people from other countries?
also, use the money collected in enforcement to deport illegal immigrants who are currently taking up space in our prisons. i see where california is going to release a bunch of prisoners because they don't have the money to house them. i would think deporting illegal prisoners would save some of that money.
Do away with cash, Have a card linked to your social security number. Knock out the illegal immigrants and the people who hire them and all the people in the country who work off the books in one shot.
There would be nowhere to run.
no means of supporting themselves
no shipping money back over the borders.
This country is lying on the ground bleeding
and nobody is doing anything.
Credit system is in place, What do we really need cash for?
Tips?
So we can go into a store and say "If I pay cash will you not charge tax"?
do away with cash and all the people who dont pay taxes all at once.
Do away with cash, Have a card linked to your social security number. Knock out the illegal immigrants and the people who hire them and all the people in the country who work off the books in one shot.
There would be nowhere to run.
no means of supporting themselves
no shipping money back over the borders.
This country is lying on the ground bleeding
and nobody is doing anything.
Credit system is in place, What do we really need cash for?
Tips?
So we can go into a store and say "If I pay cash will you not charge tax"?
do away with cash and all the people who dont pay taxes all at once.
that is an interesting idea, but i don't see that doing anything but increasing our debt load, which is already unsustainable. we need to choke off the money supply and a credit based system would pull in more taxes which could be used to support more illegal services, not to mention the fraud connected to social security numbers would grow substantially. (which could endanger honest social security participants). part of the reason they can stay here is that they get taxpayer funded services.
another thing that needs to be done is that NO social security payments should go out of the country. that is using american taxpayer money to subsidize people who choose to live in other countries. that needs to stop!
that is an interesting idea, but i don't see that doing anything but increasing our debt load, which is already unsustainable. we need to choke off the money supply and a credit based system would pull in more taxes which could be used to support more illegal services, not to mention the fraud connected to social security numbers would grow substantially. (which could endanger honest social security participants). part of the reason they can stay here is that they get taxpayer funded services.
another thing that needs to be done is that NO social security payments should go out of the country. that is using american taxpayer money to subsidize people who choose to live in other countries. that needs to stop!
There will always be fraud, there is now. We have zero control over cash and where it goes.
We would have greater control over a card.
granted we would have to change the system a bit
because it wouldnt be a "credit card"
it would be your account card.
the entire "credit card" system could stay exactly the same.
assuming they are screening social security numbers to get one.
I mean they do run a credit history right?
I dont see any downside
unless you dont pay taxes.
We will never weed out all the corruption
but the corruption makes up a small percentage anyway
we could fix the problem almost in its entirety
by eliminating cash
not to mention, now drug dealers wouldnt be able to pay they're bills
buy cars,
nomore illegal lawn mowers
no more illegal construction workers,
no more tax breaks for cash,
no more small retail stores paying half cash half check to they're employees.
we could solve alot of problems in one shot
putting more money in the pot for citizens
and less taxes.
Do away with cash, Have a card linked to your social security number. Knock out the illegal immigrants and the people who hire them and all the people in the country who work off the books in one shot.
There would be nowhere to run.
no means of supporting themselves
no shipping money back over the borders.
This country is lying on the ground bleeding
and nobody is doing anything.
Credit system is in place, What do we really need cash for?
Tips?
So we can go into a store and say "If I pay cash will you not charge tax"?
do away with cash and all the people who dont pay taxes all at once.
That I disagree with 100%...............frankly; such a system would give the government too much control over an individual. Read that with a few keystrokes on a computer a person could be cut off if they offended a public official.
If anything: another means for transactions would be used; gold comes to mind and there would also be barter.
]#1...unikely to ever happen. If they aren't willing to be 'accountable' now, what makes you think politicians will suddenly agree to it in the future ?..
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Originally Posted by macmeal;10733267[B
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Wasn't talking about politicians being accountable. Isn't it Homeland Security's job to track down visa overstays? If they aren't doing the job, it should be taken away from them, along with their funding for doing it and be given to some agency who can come up with a way to do the job, effectively. If you tell me there is no government agency that can do something effectively, thank you for making my argument not to let them get involved in Obamacare.
#7....Makes sense, I agree. But how do you propose "making" people enforce laws that they are already SWORN to enforce....and have simply chosen NOT to?
You cut off their federal funding and arrest them for aiding and abetting.
#8...America does not "shoot people" without a compelling reason, and let's hope it never begins...You can't tell who's a 'drug dealer' until he's in custody...and once he's in custody, 'shooting him' becomes murder....
The act of crossing the border illegally should demand those people be fired upon. Isn't that why we have a border? We don't have a border to keep people in. We have one to keep people out. But we have legal "gates" and we expect people to come through the gate. Is it okay for people you don't know to enter your home through the windows? Can you shoot them if they come in through the windows and don't come to the door to be invited in?
#9...For a variety of historical reasons, the Mexican government would NEVER agree to "let" the American military enter Mexican territory, to do ANYTHING...particularly to shoot other Mexicans. This is a preposterous suggestion. The Mexican government would COLLAPSE before it sought American military "help"..and any Mexican official who ATTEMPTED such a move would be instanty tossed out of office.
Would the USA allow 'Mexican troops' to enter California...or Florida..or New Jersey...to capture and arrest the Hells Angels...or the Cosa Nostra?...or to help us catch our 'Meth heads'? Not likely...NOR would any American politician suggest such a thing.[/
Let me think about it. I might be okay with it. As far as the politicians go, how have their attempts to address gangs, drugs and organized crime been working out for us?
That I disagree with 100%...............frankly; such a system would give the government too much control over an individual. Read that with a few keystrokes on a computer a person could be cut off if they offended a public official.
If anything: another means for transactions would be used; gold comes to mind and there would also be barter.
They can already freeze your assets with a key stroke. They can freeze your bank accounts, they can garnish your wages... they can already do whatever they want. The only difference would be, People not being able to do under the table deals anymore with cash.
the only people it would hurt are the people who break the law.
There isnt enough gold to support our economy.
The only way to put a leash on Greedy old money
and at the same time make sure everyone pay's taxes
is to do away with cash.
I would maintain that anyone who disagree's has something to lose.
meaning that you do some sort of under the table cash dealings
and that is why you wouldnt want that.
anytime the IRS wants to they can ask me for my cash
and give me a card that represents that cash,
and nothing would change for me.
I pay all my bills online and have automatic deposit anyway.
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