Latino perceptions turned upside down (illegal, law, Mexico border, Americans)

[iturbide1981]

Originally Posted by andreabeth

Bull. no BULL PROVEN...



You truly do not have a clue, do you? You post all sorts of gibberish without bothering to make the most rudimentary attempt to confirm that what you are saying is true. no gibberish numbers are numbers and if youre true to yourself and the rest of illegal haters you know that hispanics are a male dominated migration..till recently.. and thats because the males have started bringing their wifes...plus a macho society like the one Mexico posseses they would not..repeat would NOT SEND A WOMAN first and pay a coyote 2000 dollars when they now well that a male has a better chance, lol you dont think they have morals and standards as people? that women unattain suffer far worse consequenses then a male?traveling with full of men? i heard the stories all the time..



Dual Citizenship, Birthright Citizenship, and the Meaning of Sovereignty

'3 or 4 stories', huh? Let's try over 300,000 anchor babies born per year, all of them born to women looking for a way to freeload off the US taxpayer.

Want somemore facts? Here's another one:not good enough those 300,000 were conceived in american paid apartments, those couples problalby met at some factory or some plot in the fields and hit et off...
and plank theres the kid...now those 300,000 are they counting the same mother? lets say she had a kid in the year 2000, and then another one in the year 2005 are we counting the same woman over and over?



Anchor Babies Weigh Down Economy

Now what exactly what is the problem here? Why is it that your beloved 'female hispanics' have sooooooooooo much trouble staying in their own country when it comes time to give birth? Do you honestly think these latinas are going to pay the hospital bills they owe for the delivery? Or pay for the healthcare her anchor is going to need? Or pay for anything else for that matter?

If you have no idea what you are talking about, then either educate yourself or keep your mouth shut.

prove you wrong on all of them

illegals is a male dominating migration...and if you believe is a lie..then so be it...I just know that is expensive to cross them...and families would not send their daughters or their wifes first...is a simple stupid thing to even think about...

NEXT...

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by zacatecana

Okay andreabeth, here is my opinion on this issue. You may agree with me or not but I'm very real.

What Iturbide says about women coming to this country with a husband or family waiting for her is correct. Most get pregnant here by their own husbands and their husbands bring them when they feel they have secured a job. Rarely is there a single woman that crosses the border already pregnant just to deliver on this side of the border...but it does happen. Is it right? Of course not, it is not right at all. However, the majority of those immigrants that crossed the border and were offered a job, stayed and had their children here because they know that their children can have a better chance of becoming someone in this country. It is the story of the entire world....talk to Africans, Mexicans, South and Central Americans, Asians, etc. Does it make it right? Of course not, but it is our fault for allowing them to stay, for allowing them to get a job...etc.

Now, the part that bothers me so much is that (specifically in my culture) Mexican men are generally too proud to have someone pay for them or take their responsibilities. Mexican men are known for taking responsibility of their own bill even if they have to work long, long hours and hard work. Even if they work two or three jobs at a time. So when these women go to the hospital to deliver a child, they are generally not alone. They are with their husbands. Since when does a Mexican man loose his pride and allow/give away his responsibility? This is trully what bothers me. My father was the only one who worked while my mother stayed home to raise us. Of course now she works but while we were growing up, it was her responsibility to make sure we were fed, clothed and clean. It was my father's responsibility to work and provide for us. He never allowed anyone to pay for anything concerning us. Never accepted any aid, never, never, never...and the thought of doing so made him feel he was not a real man. How did we come up with that much in unpaid medical bills? It trully is frustrating.

In your particular family's case: they clearly had Middle Class values------------your excellent English is indicative of that.

[Kele]

Originally Posted by iturbide1981

prove you wrong on all of them

illegals is a male dominating migration...and if you believe is a lie..then so be it...I just know that is expensive to cross them...and families would not send their daughters or their wifes first...is a simple stupid thing to even think about...

NEXT...

Is it just me or is this completely incomprehensible?

[Benicar]

Originally Posted by Kele

Is it just me or is this completely incomprehensible?

I can assure you, you are not alone.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by Kele

Is it just me or is this completely incomprehensible?

Originally Posted by Benicar

I can assure you, you are not alone.

The desperation is growing on the part of the (probable) DREAMies.

As our unemployment rate continues to climb; the odds of social unrest will only grow. What Obama needs to do is tell the illegal alien advocacy groups to go to hell.

[JDubsMom]

Originally Posted by Kele

Is it just me or is this completely incomprehensible?

Even more incomprehensible is why it is continually allowed to attack, hijack and to troll freely.

[JDubsMom]

Originally Posted by andreabeth

Dude.............when a pregnant illegal alien sneaks across the Rio Grande and heads for an American hospital when it is time to squat, she is not looking for a job. She is not looking for someone to hire her. She is looking for a way to leech off the US taxpayer and nothing you can say changes that.

Agreed. At what point (if ever) does the reality of what they truly are kick in for these people?

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by JDubsMom

Agreed. At what point (if ever) does the reality of what they truly are kick in for these people?

It is amazing for someone to walk right by a Hospital in TJ or further East and risk life and limb to sneak across for another Hospital. Having it at home is also an option but that wouldn't make the kid an instant American on the way to free services until they are out of HS.

[macmeal]

Originally Posted by zacatecana

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Now, the part that bothers me so much is that (specifically in my culture) Mexican men are generally too proud to have someone pay for them or take their responsibilities. Mexican men are known for taking responsibility of their own bill even if they have to work long, long hours and hard work. Even if they work two or three jobs at a time. So when these women go to the hospital to deliver a child, they are generally not alone. They are with their husbands. Since when does a Mexican man loose his pride and allow/give away his responsibility? This is trully what bothers me. My father was the only one who worked while my mother stayed home to raise us. Of course now she works but while we were growing up, it was her responsibility to make sure we were fed, clothed and clean. It was my father's responsibility to work and provide for us. He never allowed anyone to pay for anything concerning us. Never accepted any aid, never, never, never...and the thought of doing so made him feel he was not a real man. How did we come up with that much in unpaid medical bills? It trully is frustrating.

This is EXACTLY my own experience over MANY years with Mexican immigrants, legal or not. Hard working guys, fun to talk to, cheerful...but SO macho and with such exaggerated pride that it was almost ANNOYING. They "didn't need any help", wanted to "do things on their own", and on those occasions when I WAS able to do someone a favor....(a ride to the market....translate a letter from the DMV...ask around for them about a job), they'd INSIST on returning the favor FIVE-FOLD. It got almost embarrassing. A prouder, more stubbrn, independent "bunch" would be hard to find. They'd give you the 'shirt off their back', but hated to 'owe a favor'. (I once slid off a narrow canyon road in a rainstorm....a carload of 'illegals'(?) stopped by and BODILY LIFTED my small pickup back up out of the mud, getting all 'muddy' themselves. They'd accept NO gas money, just traded a few jokes about my situation as they made sure my engine would start, and then continued on their way.)

So, as you say, "what happened"? Why the demands on the system now, the 'entitlement', and the 'whining'? I don't know, but this CERTAINLY backs up my frequent claim that "The illegals of today are NOT like those in the past; NOR is our society the same, nor are WE (American citizens) the same as 'back then'.

Society is changing....and illegals are changing, too. And what was true "then" is often no longer true.

[andreabeth]

Originally Posted by iturbide1981

either way i DONT have to educate myself..why
because my point is valid

DO NOT HIRE THEM...AND THEY WONT COME..CORRECT?
but youre going to answer me...in your childish tag games...
"i dont hired nobody..." but others do and their legal or american citizens doing it....so
to add to the burn..

to me they can have 10 anchor babies per mom...if we dont fine, and we give them work...then the problem is not fixed correct?

mexico doesn not control our borders or our way of hiring.
we can do wath ever we want...BUT GUESS WHAT
WE DONT DO IT..SO POINT YOUR FINGERING AND CRYING
TO YOUR REAL PROBLEMS...

Have it your way. According to you, the problem has two main components. One, illegal aliens are incapable of acting in compliance with basic standards of behavior in the US. Two, we tolerate it. We cannot do anything about the way they choose to behave. We CAN decide not to put up with it anymore. Here are the solutions I propose:

1. No hiring of illegal aliens. Any employer caught hiring illegals is fined, sentenced to jail time and has assets seized to help cover the costs his illegal employees have incurred.

2. No government benefits for illegals. None. They can turn themselves in and receive food, blankets, warm clothing and other necessities prior to their immediate return to their home country.

3. Minor children who are US citizens can either return to the home country with their parents, be placed with legal friends or relatives or be placed in a home by the the government.

4. If an illegal immigrant requires medical treatment, they should present themselves to the nearest ER where their condition will be evaluated, treated and when they are deemed to be stable enough, they will be returned to their home country for further treatment. The appropriate means of transport, up to and including air ambulance, will be utilized. The home country will be sent the bill for their care and transport. If they don't pay up, that amount will be subtracted from any subsequent foreign aid they receive courtesy of the US taxpayer.

5. No more anchor babies. The prostitution of the 14th Amendment stops. A child born on US soil to illegal parents is no longer automatically a US citizen. If an illegal aliens arrives at an ER in labor, she will be taken to the L&D unit for delivery. Once the child is born and it is determined that condition of the mother and child are stable enough to permit transport, both are returned to the mother's home country. The bill is sent to the home country. If they reuse to pay, the amount is deducted from any future US aid.

6. If an illegal alien is arrested and found to be in the US in violation of our immigration laws, they are immediately deported. Exceptions will be made for serious offenders who will be sent to prison. While in prison, they will be required to work in order to help cover the expenses that have been run up by illegal aliens.