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Old 04-24-2009, 04:22 AM
 
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Lawmakers, lobbyists and advocates on both sides of the issue said the highest unemployment rate in more than 25 years would make it difficult for President Barack Obama to push legislation that would legalize millions of immigrants in the country illegally and create a new guest-worker program.

“The debate has changed,” said Senator Jeff Sessions, an Alabama Republican who opposed immigration legislation when it was last considered in 2007. “I don’t think it’s going to be a pleasant discussion because the American people won’t be happy about it.”
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“Rising unemployment rates, coupled with continuing dismal economic news, are battering the public’s inclination to back a change in illegal immigrants’ status, which was never that strong to begin with,” said Kersh.


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Yep, now is the perfect time for those May Day marches complete with foreign flags and millions of illegal aliens demanding their right to citizenship.
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Old 04-24-2009, 06:43 AM
 
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But the New York Times says now is a perfect time to "normalize the legal status of the undocumented" so we can use their services during the upcoming economic recovery.
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Old 04-24-2009, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Reeds Spring, MO
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But the New York Times says now is a perfect time to "normalize the legal status of the undocumented" so we can use their services during the upcoming economic recovery.

What services? So the employer can downgrade everyone's pay to the level of the illegal? Man I hate when newspapers act like big bad America is holding the poor illegals down.
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Old 04-24-2009, 08:12 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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But the New York Times says now is a perfect time to "normalize the legal status of the undocumented" so we can use their services during the upcoming economic recovery.
Once made legal they will be getting paid a lot more and open to yet more free social services they haven't paid into. Ya, great economic sense.
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Old 04-25-2009, 10:41 AM
 
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What services? So the employer can downgrade everyone's pay to the level of the illegal? Man I hate when newspapers act like big bad America is holding the poor illegals down.
That's what they want. We're headed toward a global wage which is much much lower than that which supported our American middle class standard of living.

Employers figure if Indian and Pakistani programmers will work for $12,000 a year, that they should be allowed to bring in unlimited numbers so they can pay $12,000 a year.

If someone will pick lettuce - a seasonal job for $8000 or less a year, then of course they want to be able to bring in how ever many truckloads of cheap workers as they please.

The only way Americans will be able to buy these costly but cheaply built homes constructed in the past few years would be for wages to be going up -- however Americans aren't reproducing enough to need millions and millions of new houses and the illegals brought in to build them cheaply sure the heck cannot afford the price tags and taxes on them.
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Old 04-25-2009, 10:43 AM
 
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Once made legal they will be getting paid a lot more and open to yet more free social services they haven't paid into. Ya, great economic sense.
Yes, once made legal many will stop working, there will be no need to do those crappy jobs Americans and legals don't want to do and the employers will start all over -- bring in their illegal replacements.

Many illegals aren't working full time jobs as it is. Many are approaching retirement age and will be going right to social security checks once they get their papers. Whether they ever paid in or didn't.
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Old 04-25-2009, 10:52 AM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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Yes, once made legal many will stop working, there will be no need to do those crappy jobs Americans and legals don't want to do and the employers will start all over -- bring in their illegal replacements.

Many illegals aren't working full time jobs as it is. Many are approaching retirement age and will be going right to social security checks once they get their papers. Whether they ever paid in or didn't.
that is what I have been saying all along. I have worked with many senior citizens over the last 15 years. Many of the permanent legal residents and citizens do indeed qualify for "free" Medicare, SSI and social security even when they haven't paid into "the system" all of their lives in the way that we Americans are forced to. The gov't needs to put our elderly first and let the illegals go back to their native countries for retirement.
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Old 04-25-2009, 11:30 AM
 
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Status Quo is not an option. Obama got to the point of no return with Immigration Reform.

This month the DREAM ACT (Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minor) will be introduced in by the the House and the Senate. The Dream Act would allow eventual citizenship for undocumented youth and would restore States' rights to determine residency requirements for in-state tuition.

Greenspan will testify before the immigration subcommittee of the Judiciary Committee, chaired by Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-NY, who took over this year from Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-MA, tireless champion of a comprehsive reform effort that put illegals on a path to citizenship.
It’s important, no doubt, in the midst of an economic crisis, that you prove why bringing in a whole new work force would not make a bad situation worse. Who better to talk about this than someone like Greenspan, asked one aide to the subcommittee
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Old 04-25-2009, 11:48 AM
 
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Any elected offical that supports or votes for the "dream act" should be shot for treason.
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Old 04-25-2009, 11:51 AM
 
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Any elected offical that supports or votes for the "dream act" should be shot for treason.
One thing is certain, their political career will be toast.
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