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Old 05-02-2009, 11:04 AM
 
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She said the evidence "clearly established that Luis Ramirez was brutally beaten."
Prosecutors cast Ramirez as the victim of a gang of drunken white teens motivated by a dislike of their small coal town's burgeoning Hispanic population. But the jury evidently sided with defense attorneys, who called Ramirez the aggressor and characterized the brawl as a street fight that ended tragically.
Jury foreman Eric Macklin said he sympathized with Ramirez's loved ones but that the evidence pointed to an acquittal.
"I feel bad for Luis's friends and family. I know they feel they haven't gotten justice," he said.
The case exposed ethnic tensions in Shenandoah, a blue-collar town of 5,000 that has lured Hispanic residents drawn by cheap housing and jobs in nearby factories and farm fields. Ramirez moved to the town about seven years ago from Iramuco, Mexico, working in a factory and picking strawberries and cherries.


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Old 05-03-2009, 09:25 AM
 
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The news media likes to leave out the fact that this guy wasn't a good hard working happily married family man but a pedophile.

It's not as interesting reporting that a pedophile here illegally from Mexico was assaulted by teenage boys. The whole thing started over those teenage boys finding this older man with a 15 year old girl. It ended up a gang fight.
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Old 05-03-2009, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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The news media likes to leave out the fact that this guy wasn't a good hard working happily married family man but a pedophile.

It's not as interesting reporting that a pedophile here illegally from Mexico was assaulted by teenage boys. The whole thing started over those teenage boys finding this older man with a 15 year old girl. It ended up a gang fight.
And; apparently, said 15 YO girl was also a Hispanic-----------and, said 'White supremacist' teenagers were trying to defend this girl's honor.
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Old 05-03-2009, 09:29 AM
 
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The news media likes to leave out the fact that this guy wasn't a good hard working happily married family man but a pedophile.

It's not as interesting reporting that a pedophile here illegally from Mexico was assaulted by teenage boys. The whole thing started over those teenage boys finding this older man with a 15 year old girl. It ended up a gang fight.
In that case, job well done.
But then I wish the same fate for all pedophiles and adult men/women who take advantage of younger people.
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Old 05-03-2009, 09:30 AM
 
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1. The prosecution didn't make their case.
2. The defence did a better job.
3. The victim was less than ideal
4. The boys got off light but then so do many many other criminals.
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Old 05-03-2009, 09:31 AM
 
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Really I don't think Americans would be all that upset and we wouldn't cry racism if an American pedophile was killed over in Mexico by teenagers there. If this man would have been home with his shack-up girlfriend and kids, there would have been no problem but he was out with an underage female and that got things started. It wasn't racism, it was that he should have left young girls alone.
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Old 05-03-2009, 09:34 AM
 
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In that case, job well done.
But then I wish the same fate for all pedophiles and adult men/women who take advantage of younger people.
According to a criminal complaint, the juveniles drank beer and malt liquor in the woods and attended a block party before encountering Ramirez and a 15-year-old female at the intersection of Vine and Lloyd streets, Shenandoah, at 11:15 or 11:30 p.m.

The defense had argued that the incident was a street fight gone bad, that Ramirez was an aggressor who called several friends to the fight, one of whom had a gun, and that there was reasonable doubt about whether it was Piekarsky or Brian Scully, 18, who is facing charges in juvenile court, who kicked Ramirez in the head.

Foreman: Not sure beyond reasonable doubt | Hazleton, Pa. News | standardspeaker.com - The Standard Speaker (http://www.standardspeaker.com/articles/2009/05/03/news/hz_standspeak.20090503.a.pg1.hz03_prtrialverdict_s 1.2494523_top3.txt - broken link)

Older man with a young girl at that time of the night -- it ended up a gang fight and probably self defense with the older man calling in his friends with guns to attack the teen boys.
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Old 05-03-2009, 09:47 AM
 
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Is anyone familiar with the book "I know why the caged bird sings"?
In it, the author Maya Angelou talks about a time when she was a preteen/early teenaged girl and an older adult friend of the family continuously sexually assualted her. When she finally had the courage to tell her grandmother (or another family member, can't remember) about it all of her male relatives took this guy to an abandoned lot and beat him to death.
Was this murder? Yes. Was it a racially motivated crime? No.
Was this a racially motivated crime? No, it doesnot appear to be.
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Old 05-03-2009, 09:49 AM
 
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Really I don't think Americans would be all that upset and we wouldn't cry racism if an American pedophile was killed over in Mexico by teenagers there. If this man would have been home with his shack-up girlfriend and kids, there would have been no problem but he was out with an underage female and that got things started. It wasn't racism, it was that he should have left young girls alone.
No joke there.

If anything; I would be LMAO @ at said 'Mexican' justice against especially an illegal alien SoB.

When in Rome............
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Old 05-03-2009, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I don't think we've heard the last of this case.

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Limon, who attended the five-day trial with Crystal Dillman of Shenandoah, who had two children with Ramirez, said the Los Angeles-based MALDEF, ''urges the Department of Justice to continue their prosecution of these individuals.''

She noted that another teen charged in the case -- Colin Walsh, 18, pleaded guilty in federal court to violating Ramirez's civil rights in exchange for county charges of third-degree murder, aggravated assault and related counts against him being dropped.

The Justice Department has acknowledged it has an open investigation in the case, but has declined to be specific.
Hispanic group: Verdict is 'outrage' -- themorningcall.com
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