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Old 05-08-2009, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Remember too that one needs to be in the USA legally for 5 years prior to applying for citizenship--------which may render moot any Obama attempt for a new pool of voters.
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They may be just granted instant citizenship....you never know now days...

Our laws mean less and less as the days go by.
Exactly. I thought that was the plan (to grant instant citizenship) proposed by Obama.

Therefore, ArizonaBear, what you said would not be applicable.
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Old 05-08-2009, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I have said it many times, and I will say it again -- granting citizenship to illegal aliens is NOT the objective of our politicians or their benefactors the corporate elite. Illegal immigration is much too lucrative for them to want it to end. It’s somewhat akin to the War on Drugs our government has been ‘fighting’ for years.

I also don’t believe it’s a matter of securing the illegal alien voting block. Remember, there are still more of us (citizens) opposed to illegal immigration than the amount of new voters they would receive. Our politicians are greedy and corrupt, not stupid.

If illegal aliens were granted amnesty, they would no longer be exploitable. If they are no longer exploitable, they are no longer of value to the greedy employers. It’s just that simple.

Of course, I could be wrong. Those profiting from cheap illegal labor may decide they no longer want to pay below minimum wage; and they may decide they want to pay their required taxes and insurances; and they may even decide they want to pay for benefits (health/paid time off). Yes, the greedy unscrupulous employers believe that legalizing 12-20 million illegal aliens is worth more than money. Yeah, right.
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Old 05-08-2009, 01:31 PM
 
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I have said it many times, and I will say it again -- granting citizenship to illegal aliens is NOT the objective of our politicians or their benefactors the corporate elite. Illegal immigration is much too lucrative for them to want it to end. It’s somewhat akin to the War on Drugs our government has been ‘fighting’ for years.

I also don’t believe it’s a matter of securing the illegal alien voting block. Remember, there are still more of us (citizens) opposed to illegal immigration than the amount of new voters they would receive. Our politicians are greedy and corrupt, not stupid.

If illegal aliens were granted amnesty, they would no longer be exploitable. If they are no longer exploitable, they are no longer of value to the greedy employers. It’s just that simple.

Of course, I could be wrong. Those profiting from cheap illegal labor may decide they no longer want to pay below minimum wage; and they may decide they want to pay their required taxes and insurances; and they may even decide they want to pay for benefits (health/paid time off). Yes, the greedy unscrupulous employers believe that legalizing 12-20 million illegal aliens is worth more than money. Yeah, right.
I agree. And I'll go one step further to say that most illegals aren't after U.S. citizenship. I don't think it really means that much to them. They just want to be legalized so they don't have to worry about being deported anymore.
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Old 05-08-2009, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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i agree. And i'll go one step further to say that most illegals aren't after u.s. Citizenship. I don't think it really means that much to them. They just want to be legalized so they don't have to worry about being deported anymore.
Bingo!!!!
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Old 05-08-2009, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Lake Norman, North Carolina
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I think you all are underestimating just how important the left wing in control of the Democratic party views an amnesty would be in engineering a permanent majority that would keep radical left wing Democrats in power for decades. I mean how are these radical left wing Democrats going to accomplish their socialistic agenda unless they are in power. Hasn't ACORN been financed now with bailout money so that ACORN will be ready to hit the streets and sign up amnestied illegal aliens as Democratic voters? Radical left wingers don't even like moderate Democrats.
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Old 05-08-2009, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I think you all are underestimating just how important the left wing in control of the Democratic party views an amnesty would be in engineering a permanent majority that would keep radical left wing Democrats in power for decades. I mean how are these radical left wing Democrats going to accomplish their socialistic agenda unless they are in power. Hasn't ACORN been financed now with bailout money so that ACORN will be ready to hit the streets and sign up amnestied illegal aliens as Democratic voters? Radical left wingers don't even like moderate Democrats.
Moderate Dems=Blue Dogs
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Old 05-08-2009, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Lake Norman, North Carolina
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Moderate Dems=Blue Dogs
I always thought that moderate Dems were anything other than left wing Dems and Blue Dogs were conservative Dems. If Maobama gets his amnesty I'm switching over to Blue Dog Dem status to vote against left wing Dems.
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Old 05-08-2009, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I think you all are underestimating just how important the left wing in control of the Democratic party views an amnesty would be in engineering a permanent majority that would keep radical left wing Democrats in power for decades. I mean how are these radical left wing Democrats going to accomplish their socialistic agenda unless they are in power. Hasn't ACORN been financed now with bailout money so that ACORN will be ready to hit the streets and sign up amnestied illegal aliens as Democratic voters? Radical left wingers don't even like moderate Democrats.
If our politicians were actually pulling the strings in this country, I would agree that amnesty is imminent for the reasons you have stated. However, the corporate elite and special interest groups own our politicians, and the last thing they want is to lose their cheap illegal labor; which is evidenced by their fervent opposition to E-Verify, or any measure that would curtail the employment of illegal aliens. They would gain absolutely nothing if citizenship were granted to illegal aliens; anymore than the former plantation owners benefited from the abolition of slavery.

Obama will give lip service to immigration reform, and Congress may even place CIR on their calendar; but no substantive progress will be made. How many years have they been “trying” to pass CIR? There will always be an issue that will take precedence over illegal immigration to justify the status quo; be it war, the economy, our crumbling infrastructure, terrorism, etc. If necessary, they will ‘manufacture’ a crisis. After all, we certainly can’t tackle something as innocuous as illegal immigration when we have other issues more imperative to the survival of this country.
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