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Old 05-12-2009, 08:11 AM
 
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And the worst part about it is many illegal aliens (of any race/ethnicity) hide amongst many folks of similar heritage who are here legally or are even US citizens. So 'guilt by association' becomes a factor here.

Illegal alien Latinos as a group along with some Irish, Chinese and a few others are the worst offenders.
lol, look at crime statistics. crime has little to nothing to do with being foreign born or native born.
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Old 05-12-2009, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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lol, look at crime statistics. crime has little to nothing to do with being foreign born or native born.
Being here in the USA illegally is a crime unto itself-----------especially factoring in ID theft, not reporting income, etc.
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Old 05-12-2009, 08:27 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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There is a direct relation of poverty to crime. We are importing poverty at an unprecedented rate. These immigrants are dirt poor.

It's fairly easy to do the math, it's not the US's fault most of these peasants are from Mexico.
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Old 05-12-2009, 09:46 AM
 
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There is a direct relation of poverty to crime. We are importing poverty at an unprecedented rate. These immigrants are dirt poor.

It's fairly easy to do the math, it's not the US's fault most of these peasants are from Mexico.
Yes, there is a direct relation to poverty and crime, but shouldn't we increase services to stem that? We can also build our middle class by better after school programs and better schools in general.
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Old 05-12-2009, 11:06 AM
 
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Yes, there is a direct relation to poverty and crime, but shouldn't we increase services to stem that? We can also build our middle class by better after school programs and better schools in general.
We already have our hands full providing assistance to impoverished American citizens and legal residents. What is the rationale behind importing additional poverty, which is what illegal immigration is?
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Old 05-12-2009, 11:37 AM
 
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We already have our hands full providing assistance to impoverished American citizens and legal residents. What is the rationale behind importing additional poverty, which is what illegal immigration is?
They are already here. Wouldn't it make sense to aid them instead?
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Old 05-12-2009, 11:42 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Yes, there is a direct relation to poverty and crime, but shouldn't we increase services to stem that? We can also build our middle class by better after school programs and better schools in general.
Until the flow has some type of check valve that will never work as we are seeing today. What we are seeing is more and more illegal immigration and more siphoning of tax payer funds to support it. At some point we have to get serious about stopping the influx of poverty and focus on letting in skilled immigrants that contribute not take.

Taking money from the existing middle class to support this new class of poor only drags the existing middle class down. Supporting this new impoverished class on the backs of the middle class is no solution it just breeds contempt. The US needs to stop social services to these migrants so it is not such a magnet. This includes changing the amendment allowing instant citizenship due the lat/lon of the pregnant mother.
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Old 05-12-2009, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Texas
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They are already here. Wouldn't it make sense to aid them instead?
It would make more sense to send the home. It would save tons of money in the long run.
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Old 05-12-2009, 12:49 PM
 
Location: The Wine Country, CA
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It would make more sense to send the home. It would save tons of money in the long run.
AMEN!!!!!! Adding up the costs of Health Care, Welfare, Food Stamps AND of their mass production of Anchor Babies.. I have to agree with this.. Sorry, Couldn't Rep you on this post..
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Old 05-12-2009, 01:37 PM
 
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AMEN!!!!!! Adding up the costs of Health Care, Welfare, Food Stamps AND of their mass production of Anchor Babies.. I have to agree with this.. Sorry, Couldn't Rep you on this post..
Actually it makes less sense. It will cost more to create a mass program. We will lose BILLIONS in taxes. $9 billion in S.S. taxes (which they can't legally obtain by Federal Law). Not to mention sales tax, gas tax, utility taxes in certain regions, the list goes on...

To be completely fair though, these are all speculative. Both sides don't really know the net damage. According to a Pew study approx 50-75% of illegal immigrants pay taxes. This is a wide range. There are a whole host of studies that show conflicting data. So I really don't know. Nobody really does.

The number one hinderance is lack of a formal education. There are things that the gov't can do to mitigate this problem (these things will also benefit lower income citizens as well).
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