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Old 05-13-2009, 07:11 PM
 
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What should be done with the billions they pay into taxes?
They don't pay billions. Most are smart enough to know how to get out of FICA taxes --- just declare the kids they actually have or make some up. The only way they *might* pay FICA is to commit felony document fraud and ID theft and have it taken out of their pay but they aren't stupid enough to not have figured out what happpens when they declare many exemptions.

Social Security taxes -- doubtful most pay into that. Not those working for cash you can be sure. If the employer knows he's got illegals, there's nothing stopping him from pocketing any social security taxes taken out of the pay checks. Sales tax doesn't begin to pay what they've taken and used from the USA. It doesn't pay health care and education costs.

California should be doing extremely well if illegals were really paying many taxes but as we know, California is not doing well with it's budget.

 
Old 05-13-2009, 07:35 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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That's a silly argument for you to make since according to you they've messed up Mexico so bad that they will starve to death if they ever return and must all be converted into USA citizens.

You're justifying why the USA should have taken all of Mexico because as you try to explain, Mexicans simply must live in the USA. So -- Mexico should sit empty? It's unliveable as it is, but the USA is only to take all the people, none of the land and resources?

The Mexicans living in what is now part of the USA --- a handful of people as most Mexicans have always lived in or near Mexico City --- were given American citizenship. None of this current immigration involves them in any way and I know wealthy Spanish surnamed Americans who still own the land from the Spanish land grants.
Evidently not just Mexico but somehow we've tainted Central and South America since we sure get a bunch of those Illegals too.
 
Old 05-13-2009, 07:43 PM
 
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They don't pay billions. Most are smart enough to know how to get out of FICA taxes --- just declare the kids they actually have or make some up. The only way they *might* pay FICA is to commit felony document fraud and ID theft and have it taken out of their pay but they aren't stupid enough to not have figured out what happpens when they declare many exemptions.

Social Security taxes -- doubtful most pay into that. Not those working for cash you can be sure. If the employer knows he's got illegals, there's nothing stopping him from pocketing any social security taxes taken out of the pay checks. Sales tax doesn't begin to pay what they've taken and used from the USA. It doesn't pay health care and education costs.

California should be doing extremely well if illegals were really paying many taxes but as we know, California is not doing well with it's budget.
I love it when people talk about all the taxes the Mexican illegals pay or will pay in the future, don't you? What a joke! Tax evasion is a national pastime in Mexico. That is why they never have any money to pay for things like roads or schools. What on earth makes these people think that if illegals are given amnesty they will suddenly begin to behave like honest citizens and pay their fair share of the tax bill? Especially in view of the fact that they are not honest about anything else?

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Mexico needs better tax collection -- and fast. Production at Pemex, the state oil monopoly and Mexico's biggest taxpayer, is falling. Evasion among businesses and individuals is rampant. At a time when Pacific Rim trade rivals such as China are investing billions of dollars in superhighways and research centers to speed economic growth, Mexico is struggling to fund basics such as sewers and police.

Experts across the political spectrum concur that Mexico needs significantly higher tax receipts to improve its competitiveness and fight poverty. The tough part for Calderon, who took office Dec. 1, will be getting people here to agree on who should pay.
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The world's 13th-largest economy raises tax revenue about as effectively as Sri Lanka and Kazakhstan as a percentage of its gross domestic product, World Bank data indicate. The rate of evasion by individuals and businesses is running at about 50%, according to some estimates.

Mexico's tax collectors are so ineffective that the government has resorted to gimmicks, including prize giveaways, to entice citizens to pay their share.

Experts point to a variety of factors for the country's poor showing, including its vast underground economy, complex tax laws and overburdened auditors. Government waste and corruption have sapped the public's willingness to pay.

So has the lack of local control. The federal government collects most tax revenue, then redistributes it back to Mexico's states. The top-down approach means citizens and local officials have no assurance that their taxes will stay in their communities to improve streets and schools.
In a bind, Mexico eyes tax reform - Los Angeles Times

ROFL! These are the future taxpayers that are going to save the US economy!

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Old 05-13-2009, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I love it when people talk about all the taxes the Mexican illegals pay or will pay in the future. What a joke! Tax evasion is a national pastime in Mexico. That is why they never have any money to pay for things like roads or schools. What on earth makes these people think that if illegals are given amnesty they will suddenly begin to behave like honest citizens and pay their fair share of the tax bill? Especially in view of the fact that they are not honest about anything else?


In a bind, Mexico eyes tax reform - Los Angeles Times

ROFL! These are the future taxpayers that are going to save the US economy!
If this isnít the truth, I donít know what is. Sorry I canít rep you.
 
Old 05-13-2009, 08:02 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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If this isnít the truth, I donít know what is. Sorry I canít rep you.
Well, I can for you
 
Old 05-13-2009, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Originally Posted by malamute View Post
They don't pay billions. Most are smart enough to know how to get out of FICA taxes --- just declare the kids they actually have or make some up. The only way they *might* pay FICA is to commit felony document fraud and ID theft and have it taken out of their pay but they aren't stupid enough to not have figured out what happpens when they declare many exemptions.

Social Security taxes -- doubtful most pay into that. Not those working for cash you can be sure. If the employer knows he's got illegals, there's nothing stopping him from pocketing any social security taxes taken out of the pay checks. Sales tax doesn't begin to pay what they've taken and used from the USA. It doesn't pay health care and education costs.

California should be doing extremely well if illegals were really paying many taxes but as we know, California is not doing well with it's budget.
Ouch those damn facts again.
 
Old 05-13-2009, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Well, I can for you
Much appreciated!
 
Old 05-13-2009, 08:42 PM
 
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That's a silly argument for you to make since according to you they've messed up Mexico so bad that they will starve to death if they ever return and must all be converted into USA citizens.

You're justifying why the USA should have taken all of Mexico because as you try to explain, Mexicans simply must live in the USA. So -- Mexico should sit empty? It's unliveable as it is, but the USA is only to take all the people, none of the land and resources?

The Mexicans living in what is now part of the USA --- a handful of people as most Mexicans have always lived in or near Mexico City --- were given American citizenship. None of this current immigration involves them in any way and I know wealthy Spanish surnamed Americans who still own the land from the Spanish land grants.
I never mentioned anything about losing people. You just brought it up. I did mention how we gained 55% of Mexico's land. With that said the current immigration debate is about how the rise of consumer culture, the rise of the West, neocolonialism, and how losing/gaining 55% of one's/another's land can affect you.

Yeah, the majority of land holdings in CA were not honored. Nobody owns Spanish land grants anymore. Irvine Ranch is owned by the Irvine Company, Rancho San Jancinto (now Rancho Belago/Sunnymead Ranch) is owned by Highland Fairview company. Donald Bren and Iddo Bennevzi (I never could spell his name right) aren't exactly Spanish.
 
Old 05-13-2009, 08:46 PM
 
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They don't pay billions. Most are smart enough to know how to get out of FICA taxes --- just declare the kids they actually have or make some up. The only way they *might* pay FICA is to commit felony document fraud and ID theft and have it taken out of their pay but they aren't stupid enough to not have figured out what happpens when they declare many exemptions.

Social Security taxes -- doubtful most pay into that. Not those working for cash you can be sure. If the employer knows he's got illegals, there's nothing stopping him from pocketing any social security taxes taken out of the pay checks. Sales tax doesn't begin to pay what they've taken and used from the USA. It doesn't pay health care and education costs.

California should be doing extremely well if illegals were really paying many taxes but as we know, California is not doing well with it's budget.
Well you might be doubtful, but the government somehow is not that doubtful that they pay taxes. How much, nobody really knows.

Many illegal immigrants pay up at tax time - USATODAY.com
 
Old 05-13-2009, 08:50 PM
 
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I love it when people talk about all the taxes the Mexican illegals pay or will pay in the future, don't you? What a joke! Tax evasion is a national pastime in Mexico. That is why they never have any money to pay for things like roads or schools. What on earth makes these people think that if illegals are given amnesty they will suddenly begin to behave like honest citizens and pay their fair share of the tax bill? Especially in view of the fact that they are not honest about anything else?





In a bind, Mexico eyes tax reform - Los Angeles Times

ROFL! These are the future taxpayers that are going to save the US economy!
Pretty sure we have tax evasion here too... offshore accounts, and the like. I guess it's better since ours are super rich.
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