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Old 05-13-2009, 08:53 PM
 
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They are here Illegally which means in the preponderance of cases they were already a family. My point being this should be happening in the home Countries schools not ours. The mothers racing across the desert to have a kid here were in Mexican schools not ours.
But is does happen here, and it's something that must be taken care of.

 
Old 05-13-2009, 08:58 PM
 
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Would it be too "dramatic" to suggest the author of this paragraph is a doctrinaire leftist, probably with (revisionist?) socialist and maybe even
Marxist leanings? How is America's "mass consumer culture", created with
the Protestant capitalist ethic of "more for more"---that is, mass manufacturing leading to more wealth for the common man--- creating
a balance of wealth that is concentrated in the hands of the few? Are
we to prefer the catholic Latino ethic, which seems to be one of "less for more" , that is, overburdening a host culture's material success with reproductive excesses and dragging everything down?
Just stating what even conservative economists have noted that our distribution of wealth is becoming increasingly lopsided. Intresting sidenote, but the fastest growing gap was found to be between the rich and the super rich.

It's not a matter of Catholic/Protestant. Simply pointing out that America loves neocolonialism. For better or worse. South Korea is a shining example of how multinational companies helped a nation thrive. With that said Mexico and other third world nations are not shining examples of American neocolonialism. There is a good and bad side to the story of American economic practices abroad.
 
Old 05-13-2009, 09:01 PM
 
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yes, yes i do.

hysteria and hyperbole. after a while you figure who has something real to say and who just like the drama.

good luck finding solutions here.

and the way to solve illegal immigration is to secure the borders and do something with the process/length it takes to become a citizen.
I can see a speeding up of the immigration process and making it more attainable and a strenghtening the border. I think that this will appease both sides while not using too much resources. I think that some combination of the two are needed. I don't have specific ideas, but I'd like ideas from whoever. Just something moderate and not extreme. Something that appeases all parties, or at least attempts.
 
Old 05-13-2009, 09:03 PM
 
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No, their home country needs to address this issue.



We need to send them back.
I think that an interconnected economic and political system has much to do with it. Also seeing how it affects our nation, we do need to address these issues.
 
Old 05-13-2009, 09:50 PM
 
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My moderate ideas for immigration reform:

Cut off all welfare handouts of every kind to the illegals and their anchor babies. Find the employers and slap heavy fines and prison time on them and have the pay back to society some of the costs of their "cheap" illegal servants.

Leave the illegals illegal and shut down the employers of illegals. End family chain migration, limit family sponsors to immediate family of citizens and legal immigrants, that is spouse and minor age children.

After we get a handle on the overall immigration problem, then we can look at more legal visas for employer sponsored immigrants. Require that employers agree to provide the financial support of their immigrants and families including health insurance of some kind. For temporary work visas, the learning of English and other assimlation isn't so important but any permanent immigrant must be capable of assimilation.

The entire world might wish to move to the USA but the entire world cannot move to the USA. Immigration must be legal, fair, open to all people and not so heavily tilted to those from one country. If we need immigrants, we need skilled immigrants and from a variety of countries and backgrounds. Immigration should also be limited to those who truly wish to become Americans and who are willing to learn the culture, ways, and language of this country.

Rewarding illegals only keeps the problem going.
 
Old 05-13-2009, 10:20 PM
 
Location: The Wine Country, CA
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My moderate ideas for immigration reform:

Cut off all welfare handouts of every kind to the illegals and their anchor babies. Find the employers and slap heavy fines and prison time on them and have the pay back to society some of the costs of their "cheap" illegal servants.

Leave the illegals illegal and shut down the employers of illegals. End family chain migration, limit family sponsors to immediate family of citizens and legal immigrants, that is spouse and minor age children.

After we get a handle on the overall immigration problem, then we can look at more legal visas for employer sponsored immigrants. Require that employers agree to provide the financial support of their immigrants and families including health insurance of some kind. For temporary work visas, the learning of English and other assimlation isn't so important but any permanent immigrant must be capable of assimilation.

The entire world might wish to move to the USA but the entire world cannot move to the USA. Immigration must be legal, fair, open to all people and not so heavily tilted to those from one country. If we need immigrants, we need skilled immigrants and from a variety of countries and backgrounds. Immigration should also be limited to those who truly wish to become Americans and who are willing to learn the culture, ways, and language of this country.

Rewarding illegals only keeps the problem going.
Sounds like some great ideas and sensible solutions to me!!!

You are right.. by legitimizing Illegals, we are showing the rest of the World, that American Citizenship can be cheapened and attained through lying, stealing, and cheating rather than through hard work! It would also be a slap in the face to the immigrants that take the oath every year to become a legal U.S. Citizen and those that are in the process of legally becoming a citizen!
 
Old 05-14-2009, 12:09 AM
 
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But is does happen here, and it's something that must be taken care of.
 
Old 05-14-2009, 06:56 AM
 
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I can see a speeding up of the immigration process and making it more attainable and a strenghtening the border. I think that this will appease both sides while not using too much resources. I think that some combination of the two are needed. I don't have specific ideas, but I'd like ideas from whoever. Just something moderate and not extreme. Something that appeases all parties, or at least attempts.
Why? We currently have a population in excess of 300 million people. We add one million more each year through legal immigration. How many more do you think we should add? Once again, this is a great deal for the impoverished, unskilled, poorly educated people south of the border and a bad deal for the average American. You have stated that we should be willing to spend untold millions to educate them so that they might make a net contribution to US society. If they are that needy then they should not be allowed to come here in the first place. What on earth is the point of potentially allowing millions with a grade school education to legally immigrate to the US? Why can't we select for skilled immigrants who already have an education and will be an asset?
 
Old 05-14-2009, 08:01 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Why? We currently have a population in excess of 300 million people. We add one million more each year through legal immigration. How many more do you think we should add? Once again, this is a great deal for the impoverished, unskilled, poorly educated people south of the border and a bad deal for the average American. You have stated that we should be willing to spend untold millions to educate them so that they might make a net contribution to US society. If they are that needy then they should not be allowed to come here in the first place. What on earth is the point of potentially allowing millions with a grade school education to legally immigrate to the US? Why can't we select for skilled immigrants who already have an education and will be an asset?
Well, if my relatives are the uneducated, poor ones sneaking in, what good would that do me?
 
Old 05-14-2009, 08:03 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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