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Old 05-15-2009, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Some paranoid Anglos [overwhelmingly Republican] hate Villaraigosa because he is Latino. Let's at least be honest. Antonio hasn't done anything previous mayors did to accommodate the needs of all citizens. We can not stop the flow over the border [that is a federal responsibility]. We must make sure everyone is given medical care\ schooling\ opportunities whether they are citizens are not. To do otherwise will only weaken society.
If discussing green card holders; that is one thing.

If said 'immigrants' are here illegally---------they need to leave teh USA post haste.
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Old 05-15-2009, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Some paranoid Anglos [overwhelmingly Republican] hate Villaraigosa because he is Latino. Let's at least be honest. Antonio hasn't done anything previous mayors did to accommodate the needs of all citizens. We can not stop the flow over the border [that is a federal responsibility]. We must make sure everyone is given medical care\ schooling\ opportunities whether they are citizens are not. To do otherwise will only weaken society.
I don't think most of the anti-Tony people are anti-Latino. I think their expectations were raised by Tony promising a new kind of politics for L.A. and not being able to deliver on said expectations, with too much business as usual going on during a time of crisis - when expectations are heightened the letdown is so much worse. (Kind of like the feelings that people across the Atlantic had about THEIR Tony....) They also have other concerns not related to ethnicity. However, within the anti-Tony crowd there is a small hardcore of haters. They're not the majority, though.

The sanctuary city policy was enacted by the infamous then-LAPD chief Daryl Gates when Tom Bradley was mayor - it predated Tony holding political office.
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Old 05-15-2009, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Where laws can be ignored due to political correctness
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The sanctuary city policy was enacted by the infamous then-LAPD chief Daryl Gates when Tom Bradley was mayor - it predated Tony holding political office.
And yet for whatever reasons Mr. Villaraigosa continues to maintain that stupid policy.
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Old 05-15-2009, 07:22 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Some paranoid Anglos [overwhelmingly Republican] hate Villaraigosa because he is Latino. Let's at least be honest. Antonio hasn't done anything previous mayors did to accommodate the needs of all citizens. We can not stop the flow over the border [that is a federal responsibility]. We must make sure everyone is given medical care\ schooling\ opportunities whether they are citizens are not. To do otherwise will only weaken society.
Here is how you weaken a Society. You give anyone in the Society aid, be it financial or monetary based on their need.
How you bring down the Society is to leave the door open so that every poor person on the planet can come in and apply for that aid without so much as a check to see if the person is applying more than one time. That is where we are today, unchecked raping of Social Services by people that aren't supposed to be here.

Here is an option, all of you Pro-Illegal types blow the dust off of your check book and start writing checks to your Church. We tax payers are tapped out and can't afford your fellow "folks" here lined up for the freebies.

What's the problem? Shouldn't we have a choice whether we are forced to adopt people or not?
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Old 05-15-2009, 09:51 PM
 
Location: The Wine Country, CA
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Some paranoid Anglos [overwhelmingly Republican] hate Villaraigosa because he is Latino. Let's at least be honest. Antonio hasn't done anything previous mayors did to accommodate the needs of all citizens. We can not stop the flow over the border [that is a federal responsibility]. We must make sure everyone is given medical care\ schooling\ opportunities whether they are citizens are not. To do otherwise will only weaken society.
"Weaken Society?" Allowing millions of people into this country that are NOT educated to work for BELOW market wages and then allowing them to bankrupt hospitals and take taxpayer handouts somehow STRENGHTENS society? Wow!

When the Federal Government takes even some initiative to institute workplace immigration raids for example, La Raza, The ACLU and other Pro-Illegal groups start pulling this "it tears families apart" propaganda.. If it is such a "Federal Responsibility" maybe those folks should step aside and let the government do their job?

Antonio Villragosa marched as part of the Pro-Illegal May Day marches back in 2006.. Judging by his record, he strikes me as a racist and as someone that traditionally votes Democratic, I can guarantee you that I will vote and actively campaign for the Republican if him or "Sanctuary Francisco" Mayor Gavin Newsom become the Democratic Nominee for Governor..

The issue of secure borders, fairness and law should NOT be partisan issues but American security issues..
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Old 05-15-2009, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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This is good.

IF a political entity can declare itself independent of federal law, aka become a "sanctuary city," then perhaps this is a states (not cities--they are not mentioned in the Constitution) rights issue.

LA, SF, and numerous other lawless communities have declared themselves federal-immigration-law-free. Yet the feds have done nothing.


So what is to stop a community from declaring itself free and independent of some other federal law it doesn't like?

Actually, this seems like a good idea. Cities will decay further into lawless anarchy, drug sales, and murder.

Civilized sections of the country can declare themselves free of any federal tampering with banks, car dealers, firearms laws, and other extra-constitutional activities so loved in Foggy Bottom.

The precedent has been set. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.
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Old 05-15-2009, 11:29 PM
 
Location: los angeles
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"Weaken Society?" Allowing millions of people into this country that are NOT educated to work for BELOW market wages and then allowing them to bankrupt hospitals and take taxpayer handouts somehow STRENGHTENS society? Wow!

When the Federal Government takes even some initiative to institute workplace immigration raids for example, La Raza, The ACLU and other Pro-Illegal groups start pulling this "it tears families apart" propaganda.. If it is such a "Federal Responsibility" maybe those folks should step aside and let the government do their job?

Antonio Villragosa marched as part of the Pro-Illegal May Day marches back in 2006.. Judging by his record, he strikes me as a racist and as someone that traditionally votes Democratic, I can guarantee you that I will vote and actively campaign for the Republican if him or "Sanctuary Francisco" Mayor Gavin Newsom become the Democratic Nominee for Governor..

The issue of secure borders, fairness and law should NOT be partisan issues but American security issues..
The issue is that the federal government is responsible for securing the border with Mexico, not California. Once immigration is controlled at the border than cities like Los Angeles can more easily deal with the needs of all people. The "sanctuary" position is merely that the police force is not responsible or trained to deal with immigration & if people think they will get deported for calling the police than crime will go out of control. There is only so much that California can do to cope with this problem.

We will not deny medical help\ education\ employment opportunities for anyone since to do nothing will create a serious "caste" system. Plus, the Catholic church has considerable influence in Los Angeles & any politician knows not to go against Cardinal Mahony.
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Old 05-15-2009, 11:48 PM
 
Location: Pa
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The issue is that the federal government is responsible for securing the border with Mexico, not California. Once immigration is controlled at the border than cities like Los Angeles can more easily deal with the needs of all people. The "sanctuary" position is merely that the police force is not responsible or trained to deal with immigration & if people think they will get deported for calling the police than crime will go out of control. There is only so much that California can do to cope with this problem.

We will not deny medical help\ education\ employment opportunities for anyone since to do nothing will create a serious "caste" system. Plus, the Catholic church has considerable influence in Los Angeles & any politician knows not to go against Cardinal Mahony.
Like imposing fines for employers of illegals?
Like emposing fines upon landlords of illegals?
Like imposing fines on anyone giving shelter to illegals?
Destroy the support network and they will self deport.
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Old 05-15-2009, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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The issue is that the federal government is responsible for securing the border with Mexico, not California. Once immigration is controlled at the border than cities like Los Angeles can more easily deal with the needs of all people. The "sanctuary" position is merely that the police force is not responsible or trained to deal with immigration & if people think they will get deported for calling the police than crime will go out of control. There is only so much that California can do to cope with this problem.

We will not deny medical help\ education\ employment opportunities for anyone since to do nothing will create a serious "caste" system. Plus, the Catholic church has considerable influence in Los Angeles & any politician knows not to go against Cardinal Mahony.
'We'? Must be a mouse in your pocket-----------the anger in California is growing against illegals and their enablers.

Suffice to say: here in Arizona we are making it a living hell for illegal aliens----------they are scattering as we speak.

Remember we also have a lot of angry ex-Californians who do not want this state to go down in flames courtesy of those insolent criminal losers from Mexico, etc.
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Old 05-16-2009, 12:00 AM
 
Location: Where laws can be ignored due to political correctness
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The "sanctuary" position is merely that the police force is not responsible or trained to deal with immigration & if people think they will get deported for calling the police than crime will go out of control. There is only so much that California can do to cope with this problem.
Sanctuary city policies are nothing more than acts of voluntary political correctness. The police officers CAN report foreign criminals to the federal authorities for deportation but they choose not to because of false fears of discrimination that are perpetuated heavily by pro-illegal advocates & ethnocentricists. The majority of those who will likely face deportation will be Hispanic NOT because they're singled out for their ethnicity but because the geographical proximity of the US to Latin America makes illegal migration easier for Hispanics.

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We will not deny medical help\ education\ employment opportunities for anyone since to do nothing will create a serious "caste" system.
Because the US is supposed to be the financial and social services piggy bank for poor illegals who couldn't bother to follow the laws?

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Plus, the Catholic church has considerable influence in Los Angeles & any politician knows not to go against Cardinal Mahony.
Hmm, then perhaps politicians should start thinking with more social & financial reasonability instead of listening to someone who bases his morals on a book that itself promotes discrimination.
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