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Old 05-15-2009, 12:25 AM
 
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Apparently if you believe pro-illegals, no. Our economy would be worse off.
It's not like magically 13 million jobs will open up. Nor is it like the sales tax revenue will be the same. Nor is it like Americans will be lining up to pick up these jobs (if they were, why aren't they employed in those industries in the first place. Also trust me, I've applied for these undesirable in college...HR staff was happy I was American, hell said they wished more applied...yet they don't.). Also remember training costs, administrative costs of new workers, intially decreased production (getting used to a new job, any job). So no, it actually is a huge strain on an economy. Some businesses would not survive the strain of a massive firing and hiring frenzy.

Maybe in the long run it might work out, but initially it will be a disaster.
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Old 05-15-2009, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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It's not like magically 13 million jobs will open up. Nor is it like the sales tax revenue will be the same. Nor is it like Americans will be lining up to pick up these jobs (if they were, why aren't they employed in those industries in the first place. Also trust me, I've applied for these undesirable in college...HR staff was happy I was American, hell said they wished more applied...yet they don't.). Also remember training costs, administrative costs of new workers, intially decreased production (getting used to a new job, any job). So no, it actually is a huge strain on an economy. Some businesses would not survive the strain of a massive firing and hiring frenzy.

Maybe in the long run it might work out, but initially it will be a disaster.
Frankly: it would be fitting Karma for SF and the rest of California if its supply of de facto 'slave' labor (illegal aliens) were to disappear------------maybe that is what it would take to force housing prices low enough so Americans can actually live there again.
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Old 05-15-2009, 08:20 AM
 
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Frankly: it would be fitting Karma for SF and the rest of California if its supply of de facto 'slave' labor (illegal aliens) were to disappear------------maybe that is what it would take to force housing prices low enough so Americans can actually live there again.
Seeing how Americans were the cause of high housing prices, I think there is a flaw in the logic. Also, other industries would not be affected (those industries that, again, caused the high housing prices...like tech, biotech, education).

I don't think that you have stats showing how much illegal immigrants make ("defacto slave labor").

If it is "slave labor" then demand would exceed supply (lack of $ to buy a house), and the prices would have already been down. Other things at work here.
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Old 05-15-2009, 10:02 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Seeing how Americans were the cause of high housing prices, .

ILLEGAL ALIENS & THE MORTGAGE MESS - New York Post
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Old 05-15-2009, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Frankly: it would be fitting Karma for SF and the rest of California if its supply of de facto 'slave' labor (illegal aliens) were to disappear------------maybe that is what it would take to force housing prices low enough so Americans can actually live there again.
I don't think San Francisco proper would get THAT much cheaper considering it is a desirable place to live, and most people in SF don't live in large single family residences that require illegal labor to be sustainable.

OTOH, much of Contra Costa County would become a great deal cheaper, as the McMansion way of life would be unsustainable. The American upper middle class would have to give up big homes with servants just as the UK upper middle class (referred to as "middle class" over there - "middle class" in the US is equivalent to "upper working class" or "lower middle class" in Britain)
did after WW2. You'd see the same thing happening in the farther suburbs (aside from those which are already ghettoized like Fairfield, or Lancaster in Southern California) that one saw in inner city areas in Detroit, the east side of Cleveland, or South Central L.A. in the 1950s and 1960s.
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Old 05-15-2009, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Seeing how Americans were the cause of high housing prices, I think there is a flaw in the logic. Also, other industries would not be affected (those industries that, again, caused the high housing prices...like tech, biotech, education).

I don't think that you have stats showing how much illegal immigrants make ("defacto slave labor").

If it is "slave labor" then demand would exceed supply (lack of $ to buy a house), and the prices would have already been down. Other things at work here.
Your assumption is based on the idea that the builder passes on the cost savings to the consumer. I highly doubt that this is the case. I believe that they pocket the savings and laugh all the way to the bank.
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Old 05-15-2009, 10:20 AM
 
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One giant flaw I read and I stopped reading. The author essentially equates "Hispanics" with "illegals." Also living in forclousure alley (the 215 of SoCal) I can tell you that the majority of residents are White Americans in the new suburban centers.

92555 (Rancho Belago) ~55% White non-Hispanic (my "hood")
92883 (Corona) ~65% White non-Hispanic
92532 (Lake Elsinore) ~65% White non-Hispanic
Temecula and Murietta are both ~60% White non-Hispanic

These are the hardest hit places in CA. All upper middle class in character. All very pleasant suburban Americana. All majority non-Hispanic White. Many of my neighbors who lost their homes were White non-Hispanic.
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Old 11-12-2010, 12:15 PM
 
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But they're only doing the jobs that 13 million+ unemployed Americans WILL NOT do.
I know your being sarcastic, but every job has its price. For a decent wage Americans would do the work, but the rich business owners who are already rolling in massive bonuses every year for themselves would prefer to keep things as they are. Paying a illegal alien slave wages and pocketing the rest for themselves is a great system [if you are a rich big business owner]. Medical fees, housing and other perks just let the tax payer pay for those. Thats how it is now.

And the funny part is the hypocrisy present in Government. Meg Whitman [Billionaire] had a illegal alien maid for 8+ years yet when she ran for office she ran as a anti-illegal immigration advocate. Shows how much our leaders really care [not one bit] !
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Old 11-12-2010, 02:26 PM
 
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I know your being sarcastic, but every job has its price. For a decent wage Americans would do the work, but the rich business owners who are already rolling in massive bonuses every year for themselves would prefer to keep things as they are. Paying a illegal alien slave wages and pocketing the rest for themselves is a great system [if you are a rich big business owner]. Medical fees, housing and other perks just let the tax payer pay for those. Thats how it is now.

And the funny part is the hypocrisy present in Government. Meg Whitman [Billionaire] had a illegal alien maid for 8+ years yet when she ran for office she ran as a anti-illegal immigration advocate. Shows how much our leaders really care [not one bit] !
Meg Whitman hired her maid through an agency so it was up to the agency to make sure she was legal to work in this country, not Whitman. She paid her $23.00 an hour so I doubt that she knew the maid was illegal and was trying to save money since that kind of pay any American would work for. Whitman fired this maid after she found out she was illegal. It has never been proven that Whitman's story was a farce.
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Old 11-22-2010, 08:43 PM
 
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But they're only doing the jobs that 13 million+ unemployed Americans WILL NOT do.
Boy this mantra is really getting old. You'd think by now the illegal crowd would come up with something new.

Lets try something, all of the illegal aliens go back home and see if it's true.....
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