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Old 10-27-2010, 03:20 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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There would be no need to have "anchor children" if a person can obtain a work visa in a more market friendly manner.
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Old 10-27-2010, 03:32 PM
 
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There would be no need to have "anchor children" if a person can obtain a work visa in a more market friendly manner.
Even if we don't need their labor here? I keep making this point and yet you never address it. Illegals will continue to come unless we remove the incentives for them to do so and that includes birthright citizenship for their anchors. No matter how many "market friendly visas" we give out there will always be more immigrants that want to come here than we can accomadate with jobs and resources and "market friendly visas". Why aren't you getting it?
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Old 10-27-2010, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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There would be no need to have "anchor children" if a person can obtain a work visa in a more market friendly manner.
We are not obligated to provide employment opportunities to the citizens of the world. Heck, we donít even have enough jobs for our own citizens.

There would be no need for anchor babies if their sorry countries would take care of their own, rather than dumping them on us.
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Old 10-28-2010, 11:35 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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Even if we don't need their labor here? I keep making this point and yet you never address it.
You may be missing the point. It is about supply and demand. You claimed to have a problem with illegals, simply for their illegality. A market friendly work visa (i.e. the legal right to work in the US), would solve our illegal problem on a permanent basis while generating revenue.

Besides, how can you claim we don't need any more labor if employers are willing to hire labor, regardless of the current unemployment rate?
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Old 10-29-2010, 12:20 AM
 
Location: deep in the south
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Employers are only hiring them so they can get those bigger profits for themselves. The illegals for the most part are not paid minimum wages that legals would have to be paid. They also recieve no workers compensation coverage as they don't pay into that fund thru taxes. If hurt on the job, they use the emergency room and guess who picks up that bill, the tax payers, not the employer. All in all the illegal lowers wages and costs citizens and legal immigrants in all manner of ways. Because they are paid off the books in most instances and have children born on this soil to tie them here they are eligible for many other benefits, WIC, section 8 housing, medical etc all at taxpayers expense. It seems a pretty one sided proposition to me with them on the recieving end, they get the most out of the situation with the average tax payer footing the bill in times when most can least afford to.
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Old 10-29-2010, 08:26 AM
 
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You may be missing the point. It is about supply and demand. You claimed to have a problem with illegals, simply for their illegality. A market friendly work visa (i.e. the legal right to work in the US), would solve our illegal problem on a permanent basis while generating revenue.

Besides, how can you claim we don't need any more labor if employers are willing to hire labor, regardless of the current unemployment rate?
I already addressed every one of your claims and remarks in here in depth and yet you come right back just like a parrot repeating the same old things expecting a different answer? Go back and read my replies to you again and let them all sink in this time.

1. Employers only "need" 2 million foreign workers (just a hypothetical number).

2. Employers are allowed "market friendly visas" for these 2 million foreign workers.

3. 4 million immigrants are waiting to get a "market friendly visa" to come here. Thats means 2 million of them are shut out.

Do you actually think that these unneeded 2 million won't migrate here illegally anyway? How are these "market friendly visas" supposed to stop illegal immigration then?

Did I make it clear enough for you this time?

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Old 10-29-2010, 10:45 AM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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Employers are only hiring them so they can get those bigger profits for themselves. The illegals for the most part are not paid minimum wages that legals would have to be paid. They also recieve no workers compensation coverage as they don't pay into that fund thru taxes. If hurt on the job, they use the emergency room and guess who picks up that bill, the tax payers, not the employer. All in all the illegal lowers wages and costs citizens and legal immigrants in all manner of ways. Because they are paid off the books in most instances and have children born on this soil to tie them here they are eligible for many other benefits, WIC, section 8 housing, medical etc all at taxpayers expense. It seems a pretty one sided proposition to me with them on the recieving end, they get the most out of the situation with the average tax payer footing the bill in times when most can least afford to.
Why do you have a problem with render legal for work purposes, those who would otherwise be illegal, until they realize a cost savings by obtaining a work visa through "regular" means by only paying a fee instead of a more expensive fine. Solving our illegal problem on a permanent basis should solve your problem with illegals and that form of illegality.
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Old 10-29-2010, 01:40 PM
 
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Why would we want to be handing out any work visa to anyone when at this point in time there are not enough jobs for our citizens and LEGAL immigrants! In case you have not noticed there are many in this country starved for any kind of work, how would handing out these work visas to outsiders help this country in any way?
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Old 10-29-2010, 02:07 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Employers are only hiring them so they can get those bigger profits for themselves. The illegals for the most part are not paid minimum wages that legals would have to be paid. They also recieve no workers compensation coverage as they don't pay into that fund thru taxes. If hurt on the job, they use the emergency room and guess who picks up that bill, the tax payers, not the employer. All in all the illegal lowers wages and costs citizens and legal immigrants in all manner of ways. Because they are paid off the books in most instances and have children born on this soil to tie them here they are eligible for many other benefits, WIC, section 8 housing, medical etc all at taxpayers expense. It seems a pretty one sided proposition to me with them on the recieving end, they get the most out of the situation with the average tax payer footing the bill in times when most can least afford to.
Youre incorrect on most if not all your points.
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Old 10-29-2010, 04:19 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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Why would we want to be handing out any work visa to anyone when at this point in time there are not enough jobs for our citizens and LEGAL immigrants! In case you have not noticed there are many in this country starved for any kind of work, how would handing out these work visas to outsiders help this country in any way?
Why do you believe a market friendly work visa should be constrained to available jobs? Simply obtaining a work visa is not a guarantee of employment, but merely the legal right to work in the US.

It would help native US labor by funding unemployment compensation on the same at-will basis as employment relationships.
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