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Old 10-30-2010, 05:22 PM
 
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A so-called "market friendly" visa will do nothing to stop illegal immigration because there will always be more immigrants wanting to come here than we can accomodate with these visas.
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Old 10-30-2010, 07:32 PM
 
Location: deep in the south
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A so-called "market friendly" visa will do nothing to stop illegal immigration because there will always be more immigrants wanting to come here than we can accomodate with these visas.
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Old 10-30-2010, 09:21 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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You didn't quite answer what I asked you. What happens after they pay their fee for their "work visa" and then when they arrive find no job available? How do they then support themselves? Do they have to be totally self sufficient? Or do they get to sign up for social services such as food stamps, housing assistance, medical care etc? If they were unable to sign up for any handouts, well then your "work visa for a fee" wouldn't be a burden to us taxpayers but if they were able to recieve any social program help at tax payers expense I see that as just one more case of them digging into our pockets and I for one am tired of having my pockets picked.
As for them paying the coyotes for smuggling them into this country, well if they can pay that much to those coyotes then why do they have a problem paying the normal fees associated with coming here legally and waiting their turn in line for that privilidge? It always seemed to me that they have the opinion that they are above doing things the way they are set up, they scream and yell about how much it costs to come here and yet they seem to have no problem paying these coyotes some big bucks to smuggle them in.
Think of it as a tourist visa with a work authorization. Simply obtaining a work visa is no guarantee of job, but merely the right to work in the US. A work visa could be good for a year. Normally, at the end of a year it would expire and have to be renewed.

You may be confusing the legal right to work in the US with naturalization. A work visa is not a direct path to naturalization and anyone with work visa would need to get in line with everyone else for a permanent residency visa.
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Old 10-30-2010, 09:23 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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A so-called "market friendly" visa will do nothing to stop illegal immigration because there will always be more immigrants wanting to come here than we can accomodate with these visas.
Not everyone that comes here wants to stay here either. We could be improving our morals and our economy at the same time through market friendly public policies. Most people would rather pay a less expensive fee than a more expensive fine. In that sense, most foreign labor in the US would actually have a market based incentive to participate legally in US markets.
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Old 10-30-2010, 09:47 PM
 
Location: deep in the south
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Think of it as a tourist visa with a work authorization. Simply obtaining a work visa is no guarantee of job, but merely the right to work in the US. A work visa could be good for a year. Normally, at the end of a year it would expire and have to be renewed.

You may be confusing the legal right to work in the US with naturalization. A work visa is not a direct path to naturalization and anyone with work visa would need to get in line with everyone else for a permanent residency visa.
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But again you neglected to answer a big part of my original question. As you say this work visa in no way guarantees them employment, so in the case where they come and find no work how will they survive and support themselves? Or will we be expected to put them onto the social programs here? Will they have to guarantee in some way that they are financially stable enough to support themselves once they arrive in the event that they can't find work, that they have enough $$$ to feed, clothe, pay medical and housing expense for themselves and family, with enough to also get themselves back to their home country, BEFORE they land on these shores? I for one don't want to see anymore people with their hand out digging into the American taxpayers pockets.
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Old 10-30-2010, 09:58 PM
 
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Think of it as a tourist visa with a work authorization. Simply obtaining a work visa is no guarantee of job, but merely the right to work in the US. A work visa could be good for a year. Normally, at the end of a year it would expire and have to be renewed.

You may be confusing the legal right to work in the US with naturalization. A work visa is not a direct path to naturalization and anyone with work visa would need to get in line with everyone else for a permanent residency visa.
"Polly wanna cracker"?
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Old 10-30-2010, 09:59 PM
 
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Not everyone that comes here wants to stay here either. We could be improving our morals and our economy at the same time through market friendly public policies. Most people would rather pay a less expensive fee than a more expensive fine. In that sense, most foreign labor in the US would actually have a market based incentive to participate legally in US markets.
That does not answer my question, yet again.
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Old 10-30-2010, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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oy vey

still all very nice but has ZERO to do with ILLEGAL immigration
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Old 10-31-2010, 01:22 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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But again you neglected to answer a big part of my original question. As you say this work visa in no way guarantees them employment, so in the case where they come and find no work how will they survive and support themselves? Or will we be expected to put them onto the social programs here? Will they have to guarantee in some way that they are financially stable enough to support themselves once they arrive in the event that they can't find work, that they have enough $$$ to feed, clothe, pay medical and housing expense for themselves and family, with enough to also get themselves back to their home country, BEFORE they land on these shores? I for one don't want to see anymore people with their hand out digging into the American taxpayers pockets.
I am not sure the question you pose is very relevant. It depends on the location. A market friendly work visa would make it easier for anyone to commute to work. You make it seem like they would not be able to cross the border anytime they want, for the duration of the work visa.

Why would anyone with a work visa qualify for permanent resident benefits? They are not the same thing, and we already know who they are.
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Old 10-31-2010, 01:23 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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That does not answer my question, yet again.
Can you repost the question?
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