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Old 11-10-2010, 06:59 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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What is going to stop these visa holders from working cheaper and thereby undercutting Americans for the same job as the illegals are doing now? What makes you think that native US labor wants to go to school and learn a new vocation? Maybe they like the vocation that they have chosen already. Pursuit of happiness? How does one do that without a job that was taken by a foreinger? No way should a foreigner hold some kind of work visa and come here without a promised job already. That is just plain insane!

As for generating revenue, wouldn't an American on that same job be doing the same thing?
There would be nothing preventing visa holders from working for any, prevailing market based wage. However, the economy may still benefit by a regime of less denial and disparagement of individual liberty through the command economics of public acts.

Let's assume that some foreign labor is more competitive due to a third world work ethic and a lack of sufficient social safety nets to simply pay them to stay home and practice being first world couch potatoes.

Not all jobs are entry level. Why should it matter if wages go lower and native US labor can afford to not provide labor input to the economy when it is operating at an efficiency that is more conducive to third worlders with third world work ethics than first worlders with a natural unemployment rate and better public sector infrastructure?

An American doing the same thing would not be the same thing due to the issue of US sovereignty in our republic. We can only charge foreigners a fee for the legal right to participate in US markets.
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Old 11-10-2010, 07:03 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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Why didn't you address the rest of my comments in my post? And If they aren't working then how can they afford to pay a fine or to renew their visa? You actually think that our government is going to monitor this whole fiasco and make sure they renew their visas and if not find them and deport them? lol. They don't do it now!

Again, why should they be allowed to come here with this visa unless they have been promised a job? How do they support themself while waiting for a job?
Because the rest of your post would be rather moot if your assumption doesn't hold.

Why would they want to stay here if they couldn't find a job? It seems, to me, that you are still confusing a the legal right to participate in US markets with naturalization.
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Old 11-10-2010, 07:05 PM
 
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There would be nothing preventing visa holders from working for any, prevailing market based wage. However, the economy may still benefit by a regime of less denial and disparagement of individual liberty through the command economics of public acts.

Let's assume that some foreign labor is more competitive due to a third world work ethic and a lack of sufficient social safety nets to simply pay them to stay home and practice being first world couch potatoes.

Not all jobs are entry level. Why should it matter if wages go lower and native US labor can afford to not provide labor input to the economy when it is operating at an efficiency that is more conducive to third worlders with third world work ethics than first worlders with a natural unemployment rate and better public sector infrastructure?

An American doing the same thing would not be the same thing due to the issue of US sovereignty in our republic. We can only charge foreigners a fee for the legal right to participate in US markets.
Oh my God. I am so done with this anti-American worker nonsense!
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Old 11-10-2010, 07:10 PM
 
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Because the rest of your post would be rather moot if your assumption doesn't hold.

Why would they want to stay here if they couldn't find a job? It seems, to me, that you are still confusing a the legal right to participate in US markets with naturalization.
For the last time I never even mentioned naturalization! Are you hallucinating now? Why would they come here without a PROMISE of a job and not knowing how they will support themselves?
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Old 11-10-2010, 07:15 PM
 
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For the last time I never even mentioned naturalization! Are you hallucinating now? Why would they come here without a PROMISE of a job and not knowing how they will support themselves?
A labor market that is willing to hire persons with a third work work ethic for a potentially lower cost instead of a first world work ethic for a potentially higher cost.

You may still be missing the point about a work visa not being an elastic substitute for a permanent residency visa because it would expire automatically if not renewed, after a period of time.

How does your analogy work for tourists who may simply want to purchase the legal right to participate in US labor markets?

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In the US, tourism is either the first, second or third largest employer in 29 states, employing 7.3 million in 2004, to take care of 1.19 billion trips tourists took in the US in 2005.[22] The US outbound holiday market is sensitive in the short term, but possibly one of the most surprising results from the September 11, 2001 attacks was that by February 2002 it had bounced back for overseas travel, especially to destinations like New Zealand. This quick revival was generally quicker than many commentators had predicted only five months earlier.[23]

Source: Tourism in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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