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Old 10-14-2010, 12:16 PM
 
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Well, if you pass this law the US will have a problem because your retirement might depend on this money. You see they pay in, but fear keeps them from filing a return, you could say "they pay to be here".

"One rough estimate puts the amount of Social Security taxes alone at around $9 billion per year." It goes on to say that the majority of that 9 billion extra is from illegals-they are not sure of actual percents. Article here: Many illegal immigrants pay up at tax time - USATODAY.com

Half of 9 billion ain't a dribble.
Oh, so now our elderly should advocate lawlessness to keep SS solvent? There are no alternatives to keep SS afloat but by lawbreaking? How do we finance all the other social programs in our country then? If Americans work working those same jobs that the illegals are taking wouldn't they in turn be paying in the same SS taxes out of THEIR paychecks?
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Old 10-14-2010, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I was being ironic Chicagonut. I don't advocate lawlessness to fix the SS problem. I just was connecting the extra money from the illegals to helping folks survive which is iroinc because in all the discussions folks don't want to admit that and also some of the same folks that are bothered by immigrants are also bothered by the supposed socialist turn our country has taken yest I have not heard of them giving up their socialist security income.

So, yes, "If Americans work working those same jobs that the illegals are taking wouldn't they in turn be paying in the same SS taxes out of THEIR paychecks?".
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Old 10-14-2010, 01:26 PM
 
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I was being ironic Chicagonut. I don't advocate lawlessness to fix the SS problem. I just was connecting the extra money from the illegals to helping folks survive which is iroinc because in all the discussions folks don't want to admit that and also some of the same folks that are bothered by immigrants are also bothered by the supposed socialist turn our country has taken yest I have not heard of them giving up their socialist security income.

So, yes, "If Americans work working those same jobs that the illegals are taking wouldn't they in turn be paying in the same SS taxes out of THEIR paychecks?".
I read a couple of articles that stated that the claim that illegals are helping to sustain SS is a myth. I will try to find them and post them. Really it doesn't matter to me anyway because my argument is mainly for the rule of law on immigration matters.

I don't call SS a socialistic program. Americans pay into that fund all their lives so it isn't the same thing.

Why do you say bothered by "immigrants" when that isn't the subject? Illegal aliens are.
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Old 10-14-2010, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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Case in point - what about Meg Whitman's illegal ex housekeeper that was using her LEGAL sister's SSN for 9 years of employment? That will cause one hell of a mess for her sister (not that Nicky would give a damn) especially with Nicky going for "back wages".

You'd think there would ALREADY be a mess - were BOTH filing?

What about someone who gets laid off and files for UE only to be told the record shows wages earned under that SSN for the time they were on UE?
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Old 10-14-2010, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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<<Current law allows an immigrant to receive credit for future Social Security benefits for work done while they were illegal so long as they eventually obtain authorization to work and a valid Social Security number.>>

Like the millions with anchor babies who, when they come of age, will sponsor their parents to become citizens. There's another problem for someone who has had their SS number used by an illegal alien also. When the rightful ownwer, and the now 'legal' person both apply for SS using the same number, how does the SS department determine who gets the monthly check? I'd advise everyone to save copies of the federal, and state tax forms you file from all your working years, as proof of employment, and SS taxes deducted legally in your name. The farther back you can show proof of employment, the better. I suspect that if the 'new' citizen has been collecting SS for a few years before you apply, you'll be in for a bumpy ride.
Current procedure if there's a "question" regarding misuse of a SSN is to FREEZE the account until it's sorted out - so yes, the LEGAL "owner" of that SSN is in a world of hurt thanks to this scum.
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Old 10-15-2010, 03:52 PM
 
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<<It is usually easier to prove you weren't in the same sector as an illegal.>>

The problem is, it's up to you to prove it. No one is going to do it for you, and many times it involves hiring an attourney, a private investigator to track down records, spending thousands of dollars, and it could take several years. It's a form of identity theft, which is no joke. It can ruin your credit, and cause your wages, and bank accounts, to be garnished until you prove that you are the rightful owner of a SS#. A bit off topic, but I remember a story several years ago, of a man whose SS checks suddenly stopped coming. SS had him listed as deceased, and you wouldn't believe the hoops he had to jump through to prove he was still alive. SS and the IRS aren't known for a common sense approach to things like this.
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Old 10-15-2010, 07:10 PM
 
Location: deep in the south
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Take it from someone who has had their SS number victimized, it is no laughing matter the hoops you have to go thru to get it straightened out. More than 10 years since it happened to me I still have things come up on my record related to it. It is a frightening horrible experience and when I do get to sign up for my SS benefits in the not too distant future I fear what will come up and could put my benefits that I paid into for more than 40 years at risk, for what..........some "poor illegal" who just wanted a chance for the American dream, to which I ask "what about the nightmare bestowed on me by their actions?" They don't belong here if they are illegal and it astounds me that people here in this country care more about these people than their own countrymen and women, who chances are went to war to protect them and helped build this country and should not have to face the problems these illegals are heaping on this country by their presence here illegally.
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Old 10-15-2010, 10:04 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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How is it not affecting the real SS# owner? They're the ones stuck with the un-declared income and unpaid taxes at the end of the year because some illegal stole their SS# and worked a year using it.
If they were working and paying social security taxes on a social security number, why would that be bad for an unwitting owner of that account number?

Why would they need to provide any social security number for a cash gig?

In any case, a market friendly work visa would solve our illegal problem on a permanent basis through the markets of Commerce, instead of the coercive use of force of the State.
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Old 10-15-2010, 10:58 PM
 
Location: deep in the south
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It wasn't the Social Security Administration who came after me when my problem was discovered, it was the IRS who came after me for all that income that didn't appear on my federal return. I had to jump thru many, many hoops to prove it was not me working in Nevada and making that income while declaring on my original tax form so many dependants that I was paying virtually no Federal tax thru payroll deductions. During the time my number was being used illegally I was working in NYC for a city agency that recieved the majority of its funding from the feds and still it was up to me to prove that it wasn't me working in Nevada, thru sworn affidavits from my supervisors and signed payroll sheets etc. In the case of the IRS I guess you are guilty until you yourself can prove you're not the person who is defrauding them. Even paperwork from my supervisors wasn't enough and it took a long time and many sleepless nights to get it straightened out and to save me from having to pay massive fines for trying to defraud, they told me that at the time I reach retirement age it should not surprise me to have it all dredged up again. They do know from employees at the place in Nevada that the person using my number was from south of the border. So to the people who stand up for the illegals may I just say, I hope they do to you what they did to me.
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Old 10-16-2010, 07:34 AM
 
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If they were working and paying social security taxes on a social security number, why would that be bad for an unwitting owner of that account number?

Why would they need to provide any social security number for a cash gig?

In any case, a market friendly work visa would solve our illegal problem on a permanent basis through the markets of Commerce, instead of the coercive use of force of the State.
Market friendly visa? Translation, make sure the greedy employees have access to as much cheap foreign labor as they can get so that Americans can't compete for a liveable wage.

As I have already asked, how would this solve our illegal immigration problem when there are millions across the world that would like to migrate here that we do not have jobs and resources for?
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