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Old 05-20-2009, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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How did those two articles (one from 2004, and another from 2003 ) back up Michelle Malkin's statements? She is insinuating that the housing collapse was the fault of illegals. Those articles are just reporting that banks were giving loans to illegals.

And of course Malkin needs to be attacked. Like 'that1guy' mentioned, she can't even differentiate between Hispanics and illegals in that opinion piece that you posted.
And the irony is that Ms Malkin is of Filipino lineage----------and the Philippines did belong to Spain till 1898 hence many especially Mexican influences in that nation's culture with the notable exception of Spanish no longer being used.
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Old 05-20-2009, 11:30 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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1. It was cheap illegal labor that was used to overbuild houses for the housing bubble.

2. They were building far too many houses, more houses than Americans needed
And if they had built the type of houses they built in their own countries (no wood, stick-built houses in Mexico or Central America) and we utilized those skills/talents, the process of building would have been much, much slower. You can't put a concrete house up in a week or two. I would have had far fewer complaints of having these illegals here if the country would have ended up with some high-quality housing that would outlast a nuclear holocaust.

And what did we end up, at least here in Las Vegas? 25% of houses sitting vacant, poor quality construction, and the construction defect lawsuits mounting everyday. The quick-profit motel and housing developers are equally as guilty.
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Old 05-21-2009, 03:32 AM
 
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And the irony is that Ms Malkin is of Filipino lineage----------and the Philippines did belong to Spain till 1898 hence many especially Mexican influences in that nation's culture with the notable exception of Spanish no longer being used.
What's ironic about that? I hate when people misuse the word irony.
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Old 05-21-2009, 07:20 AM
 
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And if they had built the type of houses they built in their own countries (no wood, stick-built houses in Mexico or Central America) and we utilized those skills/talents, the process of building would have been much, much slower. You can't put a concrete house up in a week or two. I would have had far fewer complaints of having these illegals here if the country would have ended up with some high-quality housing that would outlast a nuclear holocaust.

And what did we end up, at least here in Las Vegas? 25% of houses sitting vacant, poor quality construction, and the construction defect lawsuits mounting everyday. The quick-profit motel and housing developers are equally as guilty.
Yes, and obviously the same quick profit housing developers that would stoop to breaking the law by bringing in truckloads of dirt cheap illegals to build these houses overnight, aren't above using the crappiest materials and "bending" or outright breaking other laws while they're at it.

It was all about quick easy money. Wait for a few years and see what condition these houses will be in. The best thing would be to tear down many because no one will want them in another 5 or 10 years. Some look nice on the outside but the foundations are terrible and they will not last.
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Old 05-21-2009, 07:22 AM
 
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I'm pointing out that this is not even relevant to the "illegal problem". Posting how illegals obtained loans and on a thread about how illegals perpetuated the crisis is insinuating that they are somehow the cause of the crisis. So no, you did not...but many people have infered that which means that meaning it is not that clear whether or not you (or the OP) are in fact implying that.
The people who brought them in are the cause of the crisis.
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Old 05-21-2009, 09:42 AM
 
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The people who brought them in are the cause of the crisis.
No, the cause of the crisis has nothing to do at all with illegal immigration.
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Old 05-21-2009, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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No, the cause of the crisis has nothing to do at all with illegal immigration.
Illegal immigration is THE cause of the crisis.
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Old 05-21-2009, 12:17 PM
 
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Illegal immigration is THE cause of the crisis.
Not banks, predatory lending practices, speculation, etc...
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Old 05-22-2009, 11:35 PM
 
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Not banks, predatory lending practices, speculation, etc...
The whole housing bubble required massive illegal immigration. It was illegals that built the houses for the housing bubble. They were the cheap labor that build the cheap houses that the developers would sell for enormous money -- making themselves a tidy profit. Just like the poisonous dry wall in many of the houses recently built, it was all about quick dirty money for the developers.

Since Americans didn't need millions of quickly and cheaply built houses, for one Americans aren't reproducing like rabbits and most of us already had houses before the housing bubble, the banks had to also sell the houses to illegals which is why they came up with predatory lending practices and loans requiring no proof of income and no valid social security number. Illegals didn't have credit histories after all. In order to "qualify" for large loans, the rules needed to be changed.
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Old 05-22-2009, 11:41 PM
 
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Not banks, predatory lending practices, speculation, etc...
Banks help illegal immigrants own their own home - Aug. 8, 2005

An article from the height of the housing bubble. Yes, the illegals were very much what this was about. Millions of poor people with no credit and low paying jobs crossing the border every year -- the temptation to get them a big housing loan and expensive new house was just too great.....
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