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Old 05-18-2009, 06:25 PM
 
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Valdez and her family are from Mexico and moved here when she was 2.
"Our problem is that we were brought here illegally," says her brother, Adelfo Valdez, "so we broke the law just being here. We can't become residents or citizens, because we didn't get a permit to arrive here."
That means that while Valdez can go to any college she wants, she will have to pay for it. Without a social security number, she can't accept the scholarship offer she received from Oklahoma City College and she won't be able to take out school loans.
"The money," she says, "that's what's holding most of it back, because I can apply, but I can't do the FAFSA (Free Application for Federal Student Aid) funds and get more scholarships because of my social. I don't have one, so that's the problem."


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Does she really think that not having "her social" is the problem? She knows that they are here illegally yet that doesn't seem to bother her. What bothers her is the realization that being an illegal alien is getting in the way of "her plans" for "her future" in OUR country. Because of course it's all about them and nothing is ever their fault or responsibility.

The more I read, the more I am convinced that either these people really don't understand the difference between right and wrong or reality vs. fantasy is optional.
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Old 05-18-2009, 06:37 PM
 
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well this always begs the question regarding the sins of the father.

should children suffer the consequences of their parents actions?

especially these children who are smart enough and dedicated enought to become productive citizens of the US? as i have said elsewhere, if these children do get a path, it should stop with them. no chance of sponsorship for the people who created this headache.

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Valdez and her family are from Mexico and moved here when she was 2.
"Our problem is that we were brought here illegally," says her brother, Adelfo Valdez, "so we broke the law just being here. We can't become residents or citizens, because we didn't get a permit to arrive here."
That means that while Valdez can go to any college she wants, she will have to pay for it. Without a social security number, she can't accept the scholarship offer she received from Oklahoma City College and she won't be able to take out school loans.
"The money," she says, "that's what's holding most of it back, because I can apply, but I can't do the FAFSA (Free Application for Federal Student Aid) funds and get more scholarships because of my social. I don't have one, so that's the problem."


Wrestler can't take college scholarships due to immigration laws | SPORTS | KHOU.com | News for Houston, Texas (http://www.khou.com/sports/stories/wfaa090518_ac_wrestler-scholarships.173b25b9.html - broken link)


Does she really think that not having "her social" is the problem? She knows that they are here illegally yet that doesn't seem to bother her. What bothers her is the realization that being an illegal alien is getting in the way of "her plans" for "her future" in OUR country. Because of course it's all about them and nothing is ever their fault or responsibility.

The more I read, the more I am convinced that either these people really don't understand the difference between right and wrong or reality vs. fantasy is optional.
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Old 05-18-2009, 06:40 PM
 
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well this always begs the question regarding the sins of the father.

should children suffer the consequences of their parents actions?

especially these children who are smart enough and dedicated enought to become productive citizens of the US?
The sins of their fathers/mothers is simply that. There are many American children suffering daily due to the sins of their fathers and mothers. Therefore, her problems and the blame and responsibility for the situation lies with her parents. These are NOT America's children therefore we owe them nothing.

That being said, she's a wrestler not a scholar. I'm sure she can wrestle in Mexico.
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Old 05-18-2009, 06:57 PM
 
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well this always begs the question regarding the sins of the father.

should children suffer the consequences of their parents actions?

especially these children who are smart enough and dedicated enought to become productive citizens of the US? as i have said elsewhere, if these children do get a path, it should stop with them. no chance of sponsorship for the people who created this headache.
The sad reality is that children are forced to deal with the consequences of wrongdoings by their parents all the time. If a parent is sentenced to jail time, his or her child suffers but we cannot say they should not serve their sentence simply because they are a parent. If parents get in over their heads financially and end up losing the family home, their children will suffer from being uprooted and losing the house they have been living in, but no bank is going to let them remain in a home when they are not paying the mortgage because they have children.

What the DREAMies are asking for is that the rules be changed for them. Instead of being angry at Americans they need to take the issue up with their parents. Their parents brought them here under the assumption that they would be able to game the system. Sorry, but things didn't work out that way. The DREAMies have already received a k-12 education courtesy of the US taxpayer, it is time for them to return to their home countries to continue their education. They can become productive citizens of their home countries and in all honesty, the home countries need them far more than we do.
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Old 05-18-2009, 07:00 PM
 
Location: southern california
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its the "i" word that keeps coming up. illegal immigration. we the people created this mess with deliberate non enforcement of our own laws.
sell out by DC and los pinos of american labor. the issue is not scholarships or the other benefits for citizens, the issue is immigration.

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Old 05-18-2009, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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The sins of their fathers/mothers is simply that. There are many American children suffering daily due to the sins of their fathers and mothers. Therefore, her problems and the blame and responsibility for the situation lies with her parents. These are NOT America's children therefore we owe them nothing.

That being said, she's a wrestler not a scholar. I'm sure she can wrestle in Mexico.
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The sad reality is that children are forced to deal with the consequences of wrongdoings by their parents all the time. If a parent is sentenced to jail time, his or her child suffers but we cannot say they should not serve their sentence simply because they are a parent. If parents get in over their heads financially and end up losing the family home, their children will suffer from being uprooted and losing the house they have been living in, but no bank is going to let them remain in a home when they are not paying the mortgage because they have children.

What the DREAMies are asking for is that the rules be changed for them. Instead of being angry at Americans they need to take the issue up with their parents. Their parents brought them here under the assumption that they would be able to game the system. Sorry, but things didn't work out that way. The DREAMies have already received a k-12 education courtesy of the US taxpayer, it is time for them to return to their home countries to continue their education. They can become productive citizens of their home countries and in all honesty, the home countries need them far more than we do.
My sentiments exactly. Furthermore, if we grant citizenship to DREAMies, their parents will be rewarded for violating our laws. It would also be another HUGE illegal alien magnet.
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Old 05-18-2009, 07:12 PM
 
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My sentiments exactly. Furthermore, if we grant citizenship to DREAMies, their parents will be rewarded for violating our laws. It would also be another HUGE illegal alien magnet.


Agreed. They are still crossing the border in droves in anticipation of the next "last" amnesty.
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Old 05-18-2009, 07:12 PM
 
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right the children do suffer, but they are not incarcerated along with the parents.

thats the distinction here.

children dont have a choice.

and i would still like to see a cost analysis. how much would it cost us to cut them loose? to keep them?

after investing so much money in these kids, it seems like a silly move, economically, to now lose out on them.

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The sad reality is that children are forced to deal with the consequences of wrongdoings by their parents all the time. If a parent is sentenced to jail time, his or her child suffers but we cannot say they should not serve their sentence simply because they are a parent. If parents get in over their heads financially and end up losing the family home, their children will suffer from being uprooted and losing the house they have been living in, but no bank is going to let them remain in a home when they are not paying the mortgage because they have children.

What the DREAMies are asking for is that the rules be changed for them. Instead of being angry at Americans they need to take the issue up with their parents. Their parents brought them here under the assumption that they would be able to game the system. Sorry, but things didn't work out that way. The DREAMies have already received a k-12 education courtesy of the US taxpayer, it is time for them to return to their home countries to continue their education. They can become productive citizens of their home countries and in all honesty, the home countries need them far more than we do.
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Old 05-18-2009, 07:14 PM
 
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well thats why a nice provision could be made to exclude parents from being sponsored.

i think there is some middle ground.

we lose more than we gain. but im talkign about the exemplary students. just being a student doesnt grant them anything. we should harvest the greatest minds.

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My sentiments exactly. Furthermore, if we grant citizenship to DREAMies, their parents will be rewarded for violating our laws. It would also be another HUGE illegal alien magnet.
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Old 05-18-2009, 07:18 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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right the children do suffer, but they are not incarcerated along with the parents.

thats the distinction here.

children dont have a choice.

and i would still like to see a cost analysis. how much would it cost us to cut them loose? to keep them?

after investing so much money in these kids, it seems like a silly move, economically, to now lose out on them.
Why should I, the tax payer, be burdened, no, hit with a penalty because of some Illegals? Blame their parents not us.

The kids shouldn't be blamed nor us. All the burden is on the parents but they have learned how to bilk the system. I have no problem sending them packing.
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