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Old 05-19-2009, 04:53 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Illegal field work paid illegal immigrants $20 a day back in the 80's, according to my father in-law.
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Old 05-19-2009, 05:54 PM
 
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Many farms are being subsidized with our tax dollars. If they want to hire illegal alien labor, then perhaps the government should cease subsidizing them with our tax dollars or at the very least weed out the greedy from the needy.

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During the past twenty years, farm programs have cost America's non-farm households a cumulative $1.7 trillion. That is how much non-farm households would have in the bank today if they had been allowed to save and invest what they have been forced to surrender to favored farmers through our never-ending farm programs. We need to insure that Americans are not on the hook for another $1.7 trillion during the next 20 years.
Bob implies that ranchers and fruit and vegetable farmers are less responsible stewards of the land because they do not receive production subsidies. In fact, subsidies actually hurt the environment for the many reasons I outlined earlier. If we want to encourage better stewardship, we can achieve it through direct, non-distorting incentives without subsidies for over production.
Farm programs survive year after year because they benefit a small but concentrated and politically active group of farmers. Bearing the cost of those programs are tens of millions of American households who pay through higher taxes, higher prices at the grocery store, and lost opportunities for future growth. It is time for Congress to pass a farm bill that serves all Americans, not just a favored few.
Should the United States Cut Its Farm Subsidies? - Council on Foreign Relations
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Old 05-19-2009, 06:44 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Illegal field work paid illegal immigrants $20 a day back in the 80's, according to my father in-law.
And that is probably 400% more than they got paid in Mexico too.
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Old 05-19-2009, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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Around $70,000 a year (based on the $1,400/week number) for a criminal alien. Pathetic and pure insanity.

Even the $600/week figure is ridiculously high when many hardworking, legitimate AMERICANS can't get there.
Then, if the job is there, and the illegal alien is getting it. What is stopping the U.S. citizen from getting the same job, at the same pay, and at a low risk since they are using people authorized to work in the US?

I just don't understand why a US citizen cannot get the same position if the bottom-line for the employer would be the same. Some of the options I could think of are:

1) The U.S. citizen is not willing to work for that same amount for the same position. He feels entitled to more pay for the same work.

2) The employer is discriminating against the US citizen, and is willing to take the risk by employing an illegal alien. I would think then the employer would have a good reason in their mind to take such a risk. Or, the risk is not really that great.

3) There might be a communication problem that the employer wants to avoid, since most of their workforce speaks spanish, having someone who doesn't would be detrimental to productivity. But then as more US citizen and other individuals who speak English only and those who speak multiple languages became available, this reason would lose their appeal.

4) The illegal alien is, in average, better at the job than a US citizen to the point that is worthed taking the risk. But then, if anti-illegal aliens posters in this forum are correct, this should not be the case. How come people with no education and no culture ( I highly doubt that this is the case, but ok) outperform US citizens with H.S. and College degrees at these jobs?

Also, something that I think it's not considered in the article is that a lot of these individuals are working 2 or more jobs, with a total of 16+ hours a day, sometimes more than 5 days a week while receiving no overtime in order to get those figures. I would re-evaluate to see if US citizens are willing to work as hard for the same amount of money.

Also, If you could think of any other reasons, you are welcome to add them.
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Old 05-19-2009, 07:41 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Then, if the job is there, and the illegal alien is getting it. What is stopping the U.S. citizen from getting the same job, at the same pay, and at a low risk since they are using people authorized to work in the US?

I just don't understand why a US citizen cannot get the same position if the bottom-line for the employer would be the same. Some of the options I could think of are:

1) The U.S. citizen is not willing to work for that same amount for the same position. He feels entitled to more pay for the same work.

2) The employer is discriminating against the US citizen, and is willing to take the risk by employing an illegal alien. I would think then the employer would have a good reason in their mind to take such a risk. Or, the risk is not really that great..
They can exploit the illegal on the fact that they can have them deported if they don't do as they want. An illegal will do whatever needs done, just like a slave.
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Old 05-19-2009, 08:30 PM
 
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What? I thought they were all working in the fields doing those jobs Americans won’t do. They look so sad.



Recession forces immigrants back to work in fields - St. Petersburg Times
It's so funny how the mainstream media operates. All these years, they defended massive illegal immigration by stating that Americans were "too good" to do certain work, that illegals were only coming to do the low paying jobs that Americans wouldn't want to do anyhow.

Now we're supposed to feel sorry that the illegals are losing high paid jobs that Americans certainly would want to do and are NOW taking the low paying jobs we didn't want?

What a joke.
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Old 05-19-2009, 08:42 PM
 
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Then, if the job is there, and the illegal alien is getting it. What is stopping the U.S. citizen from getting the same job, at the same pay, and at a low risk since they are using people authorized to work in the US?

I just don't understand why a US citizen cannot get the same position if the bottom-line for the employer would be the same. Some of the options I could think of are:

1) The U.S. citizen is not willing to work for that same amount for the same position. He feels entitled to more pay for the same work.

2) The employer is discriminating against the US citizen, and is willing to take the risk by employing an illegal alien. I would think then the employer would have a good reason in their mind to take such a risk. Or, the risk is not really that great.

3) There might be a communication problem that the employer wants to avoid, since most of their workforce speaks spanish, having someone who doesn't would be detrimental to productivity. But then as more US citizen and other individuals who speak English only and those who speak multiple languages became available, this reason would lose their appeal.

4) The illegal alien is, in average, better at the job than a US citizen to the point that is worthed taking the risk. But then, if anti-illegal aliens posters in this forum are correct, this should not be the case. How come people with no education and no culture ( I highly doubt that this is the case, but ok) outperform US citizens with H.S. and College degrees at these jobs?

Also, something that I think it's not considered in the article is that a lot of these individuals are working 2 or more jobs, with a total of 16+ hours a day, sometimes more than 5 days a week while receiving no overtime in order to get those figures. I would re-evaluate to see if US citizens are willing to work as hard for the same amount of money.

Also, If you could think of any other reasons, you are welcome to add them.
1. Many of these jobs are NEVER advertised to Americans. They are never posted in a place Americans could ever know about the job. Often recruiting is done inside Mexico by human traffickers ready to load up a semi-trailer of cheap workers to bring.

2. Supply and demand should apply to labor. If you're offering such little pay that no one wants to work for you, then up the pay and up the benefits until you find people who will want to work for you.

3. The risk of hiring illegals isn't high at all. You can underbid honest businessmen by having the cheapest possible labor, you can put honest people right out of business. And why not? You can save a lot of money not only on wages but by providing no benefits, skipping all kinds of labor laws. Look how much you save by never paying overtime while the sucker obeying the laws must pay overtime.

4. When all your workforce cannot speak English, certainly you are discriminating against Americans and it's not because Americans speak English but because you're looking for dirt cheap workers who don't mind working and living off food stamps and free health care.

5. Illegals with no education, no English language skills, no ability to read and write can outperform when quality work isn't an issue. When quick profits are the issue. Sometimes illegals will work harder (not often smarter) because you can always threaten them with deportation.

6. Many illegals aren't working 16 hour days. Some do and work 16 hour days with no overtime pay. When you have Americans working for you, paying all that overtime is more cost so you tend not to have your American workers working those hours. When you're a slimeball that hires illegals which are the closest things to slaves today, you can work them 24 hour if you want and pay them $4 an hour the whole 24 hours.

Americans shouldn't have to work or be treated like dogs and horrendous employers with your attitude should at the very least be run out of business, made to pay back all the costs of your illegals including any medical care and education used by their children. Prison would be best.
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Old 05-19-2009, 10:30 PM
 
Location: The Wine Country, CA
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1. Many of these jobs are NEVER advertised to Americans. They are never posted in a place Americans could ever know about the job. Often recruiting is done inside Mexico by human traffickers ready to load up a semi-trailer of cheap workers to bring.

2. Supply and demand should apply to labor. If you're offering such little pay that no one wants to work for you, then up the pay and up the benefits until you find people who will want to work for you.

3. The risk of hiring illegals isn't high at all. You can underbid honest businessmen by having the cheapest possible labor, you can put honest people right out of business. And why not? You can save a lot of money not only on wages but by providing no benefits, skipping all kinds of labor laws. Look how much you save by never paying overtime while the sucker obeying the laws must pay overtime.

4. When all your workforce cannot speak English, certainly you are discriminating against Americans and it's not because Americans speak English but because you're looking for dirt cheap workers who don't mind working and living off food stamps and free health care.

5. Illegals with no education, no English language skills, no ability to read and write can outperform when quality work isn't an issue. When quick profits are the issue. Sometimes illegals will work harder (not often smarter) because you can always threaten them with deportation.

6. Many illegals aren't working 16 hour days. Some do and work 16 hour days with no overtime pay. When you have Americans working for you, paying all that overtime is more cost so you tend not to have your American workers working those hours. When you're a slimeball that hires illegals which are the closest things to slaves today, you can work them 24 hour if you want and pay them $4 an hour the whole 24 hours.

Americans shouldn't have to work or be treated like dogs and horrendous employers with your attitude should at the very least be run out of business, made to pay back all the costs of your illegals including any medical care and education used by their children. Prison would be best.
Awesome Post!!! Agreed, people exploiting Illegal Alien labor belong in PRISON and NOT in business!!
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Old 05-20-2009, 09:12 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Pretty much how I see it too, malamute
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Old 05-20-2009, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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1. Many of these jobs are NEVER advertised to Americans. They are never posted in a place Americans could ever know about the job. Often recruiting is done inside Mexico by human traffickers ready to load up a semi-trailer of cheap workers to bring.

2. Supply and demand should apply to labor. If you're offering such little pay that no one wants to work for you, then up the pay and up the benefits until you find people who will want to work for you.

3. The risk of hiring illegals isn't high at all. You can underbid honest businessmen by having the cheapest possible labor, you can put honest people right out of business. And why not? You can save a lot of money not only on wages but by providing no benefits, skipping all kinds of labor laws. Look how much you save by never paying overtime while the sucker obeying the laws must pay overtime.

4. When all your workforce cannot speak English, certainly you are discriminating against Americans and it's not because Americans speak English but because you're looking for dirt cheap workers who don't mind working and living off food stamps and free health care.

5. Illegals with no education, no English language skills, no ability to read and write can outperform when quality work isn't an issue. When quick profits are the issue. Sometimes illegals will work harder (not often smarter) because you can always threaten them with deportation.

6. Many illegals aren't working 16 hour days. Some do and work 16 hour days with no overtime pay. When you have Americans working for you, paying all that overtime is more cost so you tend not to have your American workers working those hours. When you're a slimeball that hires illegals which are the closest things to slaves today, you can work them 24 hour if you want and pay them $4 an hour the whole 24 hours.

Americans shouldn't have to work or be treated like dogs and horrendous employers with your attitude should at the very least be run out of business, made to pay back all the costs of your illegals including any medical care and education used by their children. Prison would be best.
You nailed it!
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