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Old 05-24-2009, 12:51 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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"Amid the depressed economy, uninvited RV dwellers – long part of Venice's bohemian character – are multiplying. Their presence is testing the patience of an eclectic town renowned for tolerance.

Residents, fed up with drinking, garbage and an increase in rusty, beaten-down crash pads on wheels, are seeking to oust the vehicles from in front of homes and businesses. "It has reached an intolerable point," Rosendahl said.

Yet it was Venice's image of tolerance that drew unemployed Ocala, Fla., roofer Maurice "Red" Millsaps, his wife, Doris, and their bulldog Bosco to plant roots by parking an aging camper near a public storage facility in February."

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Old 05-24-2009, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Texas
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To learn one has to be teachable...ready to learn and cabable to learn. Kids learn more from their family than school. If mom is a liar and dad works for cash under the table...what rules are these kids learning? If you enter a country illegally, what are the kids learning? Don't look to school. Schools teach that you came from a monkey and everything you see was an accident from a big explosion.

Take this into account also, as was stated by Justice Louis D. Brandeis, "Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law breaker,it breeds contempt for the law."

In light of the current bailout bonanza EVERYONE has their hands out. Foreign and Domestic.
Morality starts at he top thru good leadership. Yes the parent must be the first to teach their kids what is right and wrong, but it is tough to dispute what is wrong with feeling entitled when the Federal Government even promotes and encourages it.

Times are pretty rough right now, we have MUCH work to do.
 
Old 05-24-2009, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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"Amid the depressed economy, uninvited RV dwellers – long part of Venice's bohemian character – are multiplying. Their presence is testing the patience of an eclectic town renowned for tolerance.

Residents, fed up with drinking, garbage and an increase in rusty, beaten-down crash pads on wheels, are seeking to oust the vehicles from in front of homes and businesses. "It has reached an intolerable point," Rosendahl said.

Yet it was Venice's image of tolerance that drew unemployed Ocala, Fla., roofer Maurice "Red" Millsaps, his wife, Doris, and their bulldog Bosco to plant roots by parking an aging camper near a public storage facility in February."

Relaxed Venice losing its patience with RV dwellers - Sacramento Politics - California Politics | Sacramento Bee (http://www.sacbee.com/capitolandcalifornia/story/1887468.html?mi_rss=Capitol%20and%20California - broken link)
Sorry, but we’re discussing illegal aliens, NOT U.S. citizens. They, and their squalor, have every right to be here -- illegals DON’T.
 
Old 05-24-2009, 02:01 PM
 
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Give it up. You're losing your debate with macmeal. Your arguments are fallacious and based on emotion and arrogance. Macmeal has presented valid and logical arguments that you refuse to consider. You're simply in this forum to tell everybody off, not to engage in a civil and rational debate.
I've tried to engage in a civil manner only to have personal attacks. Sarcasm is met with sarcasm. Macmeal's constant repitition of what I say in a sarcastic manner does not constitute "winning". Some points he makes have been valid. Some simply sarcastic fluff. What about you? Anything useful said by you...or are you simply trying to tell me off?

Simply stating an argument is wrong without anything to back it up is, well, not a good idea. So again, what is the purpose of this comment?
 
Old 05-24-2009, 02:05 PM
 
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It has been some time since I sat in a HS classroom. Do they teach students that in order to have a functional society it is necessary for people to obey the law and follow the rules? Do they teach the quaint concepts of right and wrong? Or is everything all 'relative'?
Look, things are relative. For example: Was the credit boom wrong? Well, you could argue yes (causing this crisis) or no (it caused an economic boom). There is black and white, but shades of gray in between. A hallmark of being an adult is a nuanced sense of morality. Psychologically speaking, a kid has more of a black and white view, than adults. And frankly to find a solution you do need to look at the other side of the spectrum.
 
Old 05-24-2009, 02:07 PM
 
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You are truly grasping at straws, and it’s pathetic. Why don’t you stop embarrassing yourself, and try to discuss this issue with some semblance of logic.
It was your analogy. Grasping at straws is when you post an analogy and then in order to refute the person state a personal attack. Why don't you realize that the situation is more complex? That is the embarrassing thing...many fail to realize that illegal immigration is a complex, interconnected issue.
 
Old 05-24-2009, 02:14 PM
 
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It was your analogy. Grasping at straws is when you post an analogy and then in order to refute the person state a personal attack. Why don't you realize that the situation is more complex? That is the embarrassing thing...many fail to realize that illegal immigration is a complex, interconnected issue.

OK. Explain the complexities and interconnectedness of illegal immigration.
 
Old 05-24-2009, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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It was your analogy. Grasping at straws is when you post an analogy and then in order to refute the person state a personal attack. Why don't you realize that the situation is more complex? That is the embarrassing thing...many fail to realize that illegal immigration is a complex, interconnected issue.
When did I launch a “personal attack?” It’s truly sad that you actually don’t realize how totally intransigent you are. If someone stated 2+2=4, you would counter their statement with your ‘logic’ of how the answer would be different had we been taught differently. No one is infallible; but some people refuse to accept the fact that they may be wrong, and that others may have valid points. IMO, your attitude isn’t conducive to engaging in meaningful dialogue.
 
Old 05-24-2009, 02:30 PM
 
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It was your analogy. Grasping at straws is when you post an analogy and then in order to refute the person state a personal attack. Why don't you realize that the situation is more complex? That is the embarrassing thing...many fail to realize that illegal immigration is a complex, interconnected issue.
As much as illegal aliens and their supporters see it as a complicated issue, it's not and the resolution is really quite elementary.

We have laws in this country. Those who entered illegally willfully broke those laws and by their own volition continued to do so by building strawman lives by virtue of: stealing identities, having babies, purchasing property and taking advantage of an endless list of other rights and privileges that they knew fully well they were not entitled to.

That being said at the end of the day, I'm sure I speak for many when I state that there seems to be a disconnect with illegal aliens and their supporters when it comes to the issue of personal responsibility and the acceptance of consequences for your actions.

If they have anchor babies, they have no-one to blame but themselves for abusing another one of their tricks of the trade and acts of deceit. This fraud being perpetrated upon America and her taxpayers and against their own offspring, really needs to stop. But, US citizen children by default or not, they created that problem and they need to accept responsibility for their criminal behavior/actions.

We don't want to separate anybody's family and they are free to take their burdens back with them. When said anchors reach the age of 18 they can re-enter the country as legal adult citizens.

Illegals who have married Americans, and vice versa knew the consequences of their actions. The American needs to either secure some form of legalization for their spouse or return to said illegal spouse's homeland with them.

DREAMies: Are now legal adults all of who claim they want to be Americans. They should prove that by taking the baby step of respecting the laws of this country by leaving and returning through the legal process. Otherwise, they simply reiterate the fact that they have become nothing more than proteges of their criminal parents.

Everybody else here illegally, should leave and not let the doorknob hit you where the dog should have bit you. Nobody forced anyone to come here and we the taxpayers should not be forced to foot the bill for getting rid of you and your burdens.

That's how simple it really is.
 
Old 05-24-2009, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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As much as illegal aliens and their supporters see it as a complicated issue, it's not and the resolution is really quite elementary.

We have laws in this country. Those who entered illegally willfully broke those laws and by their own volition continued to do so by building strawman lives by virtue of: stealing identities, having babies, purchasing property and taking advantage of an endless list of other rights and privileges that they knew fully well they were not entitled to.

That being said at the end of the day, I'm sure I speak for many when I state that there seems to be a disconnect with illegal aliens and their supporters when it comes to the issue of personal responsibility and the acceptance of consequences for your actions.

If they have anchor babies, another one of their tricks of the trade and acts of deceit and fraud being perpetrated upon America and her taxpayers and against their own offspring: thus, it's their problem.

We don't want to separate anybody's family and they are free to take their burdens back with them. When said anchors reach the age of 18 they can re-enter the country as legal adult citizens.

Illegals who have married Americans, and vice versa knew the consequences of their actions. The American needs to either secure some form of legalization for their spouse or return to said illegal spouse's homeland with them.

DREAMies: Are now legal adults all of who claim they want to be Americans should show that by respecting the laws of this country by leaving and returning through the legal process. Otherwise, they simply reiterate the fact that they have become their nothing more than proteges of their criminal parents.

Everybody else here illegally, should leave and not let the doorknob hit you where the dog should have bit you. Nobody forced anyoone to come here and we the taxpayers should not foot the bill for getting rid of you and your burdens.

That's how simple it really is.
Amen to that!
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