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Old 05-20-2009, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Perhaps our economic crisis is actually a blessing in disguise.

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As immigrants’ rights groups are pressing President Barack Obama to step up efforts at comprehensive reform this year, one prominent member of Obama’s cabinet is acknowledging that the economic downturn has made legalization of illegal immigrants tougher to sell to the American public.

“When unemployment is up, anything that looks like you’re taking jobs away from …people who are lawfully here—citizens of the United States—is going to meet a lot of resistance,” Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said during an exchange with reporters Tuesday morning.

Napolitano said the economic factors combined to put an additional hurdle in the path of immigration reform advocates. “In balancing those things, I think it makes it more difficult,” she said.
Janet Napolitano: Legalization a hard sell - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com
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Old 05-20-2009, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Perhaps our economic crisis is actually a blessing in disguise.
I have to (reluctantly) agree.

Perhaps Janet and Obama will actually get a clue.
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Old 05-20-2009, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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I have to (reluctantly) agree.

Perhaps Janet and Obama will actually get a clue.

I take it you did not lost your job, your house, or you 401K. I don't think someone who lost all of the above would agree with either of you, that the crisis is a blessing.
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Old 05-20-2009, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I take it you did not lost your job, your house, or you 401K. I don't think someone who lost all of the above would agree with either of you, that the crisis is a blessing.
If it will result in ridding our country of illegal aliens, it is indeed a blessing. Perhaps then, citizens of this country won’t have to compete against illegals depressing wages, and legitimate businesses can remain open. Having 20+ million illegal aliens living in this country is certainly no blessing. The greed of these unscrupulous employers is a major factor in our current economic crisis.

BTW, yes, I have lost thousands.
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Old 05-20-2009, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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If it will result in ridding our country of illegal aliens, it is indeed a blessing. Perhaps then, citizens of this country won’t have to compete against illegals depressing wages, and legitimate businesses can remain open. Having 20+ million illegal aliens living in this country is certainly no blessing. The greed of these unscrupulous employers is a major factor in our current economic crisis.

BTW, yes, I have lost thousands.
Benicar,

Did you lose your house or job? I lost over 30% of my portfolio, but it seems to be rapidly recovering and I would estimate that it will make a full recovery in a year or so. It's just money, numbers in my back account yet my lifestyle took more of a hit from starting grad school than from the crisis.

Now, had I lost my house and have nowhere to life, or my car and have no transportation, or my job and be unable to find another. Then I think my outlook would be different.

You say having 20+ million illegal aliens is not a blessing, and I agree with you, but if the crisis would not have happened and Legalization would had happened through the year, then you would have traded the 20+ million illegal aliens for 20+ million legal immigrants. Now I consider trading 20+ million illegal aliens for 20+ million legal immigrants a blessing.

But since Legalization is a harder sell, and illegal aliens are not going anywhere then we get to keep our 20+ million illegal aliens, not a blessing as you said.

So then, you lost your thousands of dollars from your investment accounts, I lost 30% of my portfolio, and lots of people lost much more, and our 20+ million illegal aliens remain illegal. I fail to see the blessing.
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Old 05-20-2009, 12:08 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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It's been noted that an estimated million have already self deported. I see that as a GREAT thing.
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Old 05-20-2009, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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It's been noted that an estimated million have already self deported. I see that as a GREAT thing.
Link please. And what do you think will happen once the economy bounces back up?
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Old 05-20-2009, 12:28 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Link please. And what do you think will happen once the economy bounces back up?
U.S. 'self-deporting' program for illegal immigrants set to go - Sacramento Politics - California Politics | Sacramento Bee (http://www.sacbee.com/capitolandcalifornia/story/1122286.html - broken link)

If we enforce our border, force E-verify and employer sanctions we won't have to deal with this mess again! I feel that the tide has turned on this immigration disaster.
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Old 05-20-2009, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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U.S. 'self-deporting' program for illegal immigrants set to go - Sacramento Politics - California Politics | Sacramento Bee (http://www.sacbee.com/capitolandcalifornia/story/1122286.html - broken link)

If we enforce our border, force E-verify and employer sanctions we won't have to deal with this mess again! I feel that the tide has turned on this immigration disaster.
There is nothing on that link regarding:
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It's been noted that an estimated million have already self deported.
The only thing that it says is that some might have self-deported, with no number. And that the self-deportation program will likely target 500,000 people who have already been issue deportation orders. I fail to see how the article backs up the claim that an estimated million have already self deported.

And then goes to state that "The benefit is (in) not being detained". Given the fact that leaving is not really a problem. I don't see how is the status any different from before.
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Old 05-20-2009, 01:04 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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There is nothing on that link regarding:


The only thing that it says is that some might have self-deported, with no number. And that the self-deportation program will likely target 500,000 people who have already been issue deportation orders. I fail to see how the article backs up the claim that an estimated million have already self deported.

And then goes to state that "The benefit is (in) not being detained". Given the fact that leaving is not really a problem. I don't see how is the status any different from before.
The report, called "Homeward Bound," said an analysis of U.S. census data suggests "the likely illegal immigrant population" may have dropped by 11 percent, or 1 million people, between August 2007 and May 2008.



Um, yes it does (you asked for a link, please read it) but here is another.
Dallas is My Home » Blog Archive » Illegal Immigrants Returning to Mexico in Record Numbers
All you have to do is google 'illegal immigration down 11 percent' and you'll get 50 topics on it.
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