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OK, if you're saying that one is a growing problem and the other isn't, you may have a point. Of course we might disagree about the definition of "growing" and "problem" (i.e. regardless of birthrates, our own "undesireables" are consuming services at a pretty rapid clip these days). But otherwise, are you basically arguing that we support "riffraff" just because they're "our" riffraff?
That's pretty much "it", I'm afraid. WE support OUR riff-raff because NOT supporting them isn't an option under the law. Our riff-raff are 'ours', like it or not.
If YOUR unruly kid damages your house...verbally abuses you..or gets into trouble with the law...that's your legal, and moral, problem. You are responsible for your child, and legally required to 'take the rap' for his actions.
If MY unruly kid damages your house...verbally abuses you..or gets into trouble with the law, while he's visiting you, that is NOT your problem. Your only responsibility in that case is to call ME, send me the bill, and send MY rotten kid home. He's MY responsibility, not yours.
Two kids...mine and yours. One whom you're responsible for; one whom you're not...and that holds true, regardless of whether YOUR kid or MINE is worse; that's of no consequence, and quite beside the point. The point is that you're responsible for your kids, not for the kids of others. The same holds true for citizens.
OK, if you're saying that one is a growing problem and the other isn't, you may have a point. Of course we might disagree about the definition of "growing" and "problem" (i.e. regardless of birthrates, our own "undesireables" are consuming services at a pretty rapid clip these days). But otherwise, are you basically arguing that we support "riffraff" just because they're "our" riffraff?
Please explain to me how importing more riffraff is a good idea?
OK, if you're saying that one is a growing problem and the other isn't, you may have a point. Of course we might disagree about the definition of "growing" and "problem" (i.e. regardless of birthrates, our own "undesireables" are consuming services at a pretty rapid clip these days). But otherwise, are you basically arguing that we support "riffraff" just because they're "our" riffraff?
Better our riffraff over a bunch of illegal aliens AKA criminals by default.
The other thing to consider -- Americans are being denied jobs. Employers of illegals bring in illegals because they can pay them dirt -- wages that no American can live on, and illegals can only live on because they're living in slum apartments, filthy hovels, homeless camps, sleeping 14 men to a slum apartment floor, living 4-5 families in a 1-family dwelling --- or having babies that bring them welfare handouts.
Prosecute the employers of illegals to the max. Shut them down and let the honest businesses replace them. Get back to jobs training programs for our disadvantaged youth and others, businesses can help develop the workforce they need. Let wages rise to levels that are acceptable.
Keep in mind, we as a society have done nothing for "our riffraff" but build more prisons and welfare programs. Let our riffraff get back to work and become productive again. Let the prisons fill with the employers of illegals.
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Only "our riffraff" seems to include the welfare babies of illegals -- more and more a significant chunk of our welfare loads.
I hear 'ya, but don't forget that "our riffraff" can breed pretty well too, and one way or another we also pay for their teen pregnancies, meth and fetal alcohol babies, unpaid child support, foster homes, special ed., domestic violence, you name it.
Doesn't mean I'm trying to condone either side. But just personally, am less concerned about the "illegal problem", than about turning a blind eye at the same time to our own native-born deadbeats who milk the system, without giving anything back, simply because they're "citizens". Meanwhile, they're often the first and the loudest to complain about the cost of "those damn illegals"!
And yet if you could magically eliminate every "illegal" tomorrow, how many of said "deadbeats" do you think would actually be willing to take their place out in those fields?
The other thing to consider -- Americans are being denied jobs. Employers of illegals bring in illegals because they can pay them dirt -- wages that no American can live on, and illegals can only live on because they're living in slum apartments, filthy hovels, homeless camps, sleeping 14 men to a slum apartment floor, living 4-5 families in a 1-family dwelling --- or having babies that bring them welfare handouts.
Prosecute the employers of illegals to the max. Shut them down and let the honest businesses replace them. Get back to jobs training programs for our disadvantaged youth and others, businesses can help develop the workforce they need. Let wages rise to levels that are acceptable.
Keep in mind, we as a society have done nothing for "our riffraff" but build more prisons and welfare programs. Let our riffraff get back to work and become productive again. Let the prisons fill with the employers of illegals.
Awesome Plan.. I absolutely agree... Problem is those Idiots in Washington Dc, are too busy packing their pockets with lobbyist cash to implement such a thing..
Dunno about the "importing" part, but immigrants (legal or otherwise) are here to work, while "our riffraff", not so much....
Do you need to see a pic from the local WIC line? Or do you seriously believe all of those men don't have a wife, or a wife with a batch of kids? Seriously?
They can work under the table and collect social services off the kids.
Take a step into a local ER and give me your summary of what you see in front of you during your seven hour wait.
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