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View Poll Results: Do you support amnesty for illegal aliens?
Yes, let's roll out the red carpet 18 16.82%
No, get them back to Mexico ASAP! 89 83.18%
Voters: 107. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-28-2009, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The only part about this poll that needs changed is Mexico, to home country. The rest is spot on.
You're right - I'm not anti-Mexican, only anti-ILLEGAL.
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Old 05-28-2009, 07:05 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I also want to add something to this:

You cannot assume that Mexicans are bad people. Many are just coming here for a better life as all of our ancestors did, just because they feel that they can. You cannot blame them for that, because they are human, just like the rest of us.

What we need is a proper, viable and workable solution to the illegal immigration problem (mainly from Mexico) that sets aside any racism / anti-Hispanic hysteria, which is so easy to get suckered into, after all. It's fine to be anti-illegal immigration and it's fine to want to resolve the problems caused by illegal immigration, but let's try to do it without making scapegoats of people.

Personally, I would much rather live in a world in which Mexico and Mexicans enjoy the same wealth and prosperity as us, meaning that as a result, we may not even need to have border security which is as tight as it is now.
We know why they come, we understand that. Mexico has a population problem and a wealth distribution problem. To say the US should be forced to adopt these people is insane. We have too many legal immigrants coming in much the less people kicking down the back door.
It's Mexico's problem not ours.
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Old 05-28-2009, 07:17 PM
 
Location: The Shires
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We know why they come, we understand that. Mexico has a population problem and a wealth distribution problem. To say the US should be forced to adopt these people is insane. We have too many legal immigrants coming in much the less people kicking down the back door.
It's Mexico's problem not ours.
I agree with this. Of course it isn't out problem (we cannot afford for it to be our problem). I just get bothered by the fact that people seem to so easily become anti-Hispanic, when in reality, it has nothing to do with Hispanics. If we shared a land border with Russia or India, we'd have just as many Russians or Indians trying to get into our country.
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Old 05-28-2009, 07:30 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I agree with this. Of course it isn't out problem (we cannot afford for it to be our problem). I just get bothered by the fact that people seem to so easily become anti-Hispanic, when in reality, it has nothing to do with Hispanics. If we shared a land border with Russia or India, we'd have just as many Russians or Indians trying to get into our country.
Well, yes and no, why don't we have a problem with Canada?
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Old 05-28-2009, 08:42 PM
 
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Well, yes and no, why don't we have a problem with Canada?
You don't think over 70,000 is a lot when you consider Canada's quality of life is a lot more comparable with the United States than Mexico's is?

Do you blame Mexicans for seeing the United States as a place to work, when throughout history, the U.S. has consistently encouraged Mexican workers to come and do labor(only to boot them out when the work was done).

This is the relationship between the U.S. and Mexico. There's this history of a labor relationship. This is why we have so much more illegal immigration from Mexico.

And yet there are hundreds of thousands of people from countries that are on the other side of the planet coming illegally. How many do you think there would be from those places if they were separated from the U.S. by an imaginary line instead of an ocean?
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Old 05-28-2009, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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You don't think over 70,000 is a lot when you consider Canada's quality of life is a lot more comparable with the United States than Mexico's is?

Do you blame Mexicans for seeing the United States as a place to work, when throughout history, the U.S. has consistently encouraged Mexican workers to come and do labor(only to boot them out when the work was done).

This is the relationship between the U.S. and Mexico. There's this history of a labor relationship. This is why we have so much more illegal immigration from Mexico.

And yet there are hundreds of thousands of people from countries that are on the other side of the planet coming illegally. How many do you think there would be from those places if they were separated from the U.S. by an imaginary line instead of an ocean?
Remember that oceans still make dandy barriers against intruders.
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Old 05-28-2009, 09:22 PM
 
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You don't think over 70,000 is a lot when you consider Canada's quality of life is a lot more comparable with the United States than Mexico's is?

Do you blame Mexicans for seeing the United States as a place to work, when throughout history, the U.S. has consistently encouraged Mexican workers to come and do labor(only to boot them out when the work was done).

This is the relationship between the U.S. and Mexico. There's this history of a labor relationship. This is why we have so much more illegal immigration from Mexico.

And yet there are hundreds of thousands of people from countries that are on the other side of the planet coming illegally. How many do you think there would be from those places if they were separated from the U.S. by an imaginary line instead of an ocean?
If they come here to work, what is wrong with requiring them to leave when the job is done? If an electrician comes to rewire your house do you invite him to move in? What is wrong with you? Many countries hire foreigners to work temporarily. I have been employed overseas on a work visa. When the job is finished or the term of employment is up, you are expected to return to your home country. This idea that because the illegal aliens have been working in the US they are somehow entitled to stay here forever is pathetic. To say nothing of the fact that they were never given our permission to come here to work in the first place.

If an American banker goes to London and works in the UK for 5 years, at the end of that time he is not entitled to British citizenship. He can go to the proper British authorities and tell them that he thinks he should be given citizenship because he has been working in the UK for 5 years. They will probably tell him to go home and apply for British citizenship just like all the other people who would like to live in the UK must do. It does not matter that he has been paying taxes while living in the UK, it does not matter that he owns a home, it does not matter that his children have made friends there and do not remember life in the US, it does not matter that his job in the UK paid better than his US job-none of it matters. The fact that he has worked in the UK does not entitle him to British citizenship.

The US owes you nothing.

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Old 05-28-2009, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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If they come here to work, what is wrong with requiring them to leave when the job is done? If an electrician comes to rewire your house do you invite him to move in? What is wrong with you? Many countries hire foreigners to work temporarily. I have been employed overseas on a work visa. When the job is finished or the term of employment is up, you are expected to return to your home country. This idea that because the illegal aliens have been working in the US they are somehow entitled to stay here forever is pathetic. To say nothing of the fact that they were never given our permission to come here to work in the first place.

If an American banker goes to London and works in the UK for 5 years, at the end of that time he is not entitled to British citizenship. He can go to the proper British authorities and tell them that he thinks he should be given citizenship because he has been working in the UK for 5 years. They will probably tell him to go home and apply for British citizenship just like all the other people who would like to live in the UK must do. It does not matter that he has been paying taxes while living in the UK, it does not matter that he owns a home, it does not matter that his children have made friends there and do not remember life in the US, it does not matter that his job in the UK paid better than his US job-none of it matters. The fact that he has worked in the US does not entitle him to British citizenship.

The US owes you nothing.
You have said it all.
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Old 06-04-2009, 05:30 PM
 
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Default I sure do

It would be virtually impossible to send all "illegal" aliens back to their home countries......( they are NOT all from Mexico)..........I wonder what some of you would do, if your country was in the pits...no opportunities...and the only way out , was to sneak into another land for a chance at a half-way normal life........as a social worker...I thought I would let everyone know.....illegal aliens are not allowed any social services, welfare, food stamps, medicaid, etc. They have to work under the table and then pay full price at the doctors office or emergency room...........often times they are also paying taxes on their wages because the employers who hire them have to use fake SS#'s on their books...to "legally" employ them.......Most of them work harder than some americans, who do like to live off the system...So I say give them amnesty, a real social security number with the amnesty and then we will have hard working americans...instead of "illegal" aliens.....

Also, the whole western side of the US was once Mexcio.......during the Polk administration, the US invaded Mexico...took over.... and made it part of America.....( after discovering their wealth of gold, silver, etc)..........So, should we give it back to them?......or what if they decide to take it back?....will the americans on the west become illegal aliens living in Mexico?..if they do, should mexico give them amnesty?

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Old 06-04-2009, 05:38 PM
 
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illegal aliens are not allowed any social services, welfare, food stamps, medicaid, etc.
Actually, if a female illegal alien gets pregnant she can indirectly receive all those tax payer-funded benefits because of a legal loophole that allows her anchor baby(ies) to become US citizen DESPITE the fact that she is not subject to US jurisdiction. In fact, she's in violation of US jurisdiction thus her anchor baby shouldn't be rewarded US citizenship but little has been done to change that loophole.

In addition, many female illegals don't just breed one anchor baby, they breed plenty of them because more anchors equals more financial benefits.


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then pay full price at the doctors office or emergency room...........often times they are also paying taxes on their wages because the employers who hire them have to use fake SS#'s on their books...to "legally" employ them.......
Did you know that the Mexican government encourages their illegal citizens in the US to use US hospitals for free and never bothers to reimburse the costs?

Mexico Promotes Free U.S. Healthcare For Illegal Immigrants | Judicial Watch (http://www.judicialwatch.org/http%3A//www.corruptionchronicles.com/2007/05/mexico_promotes_free_us_health_1.html - broken link)

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Most of them work harder than some americans, who do like to live off the system...So I say give them amnesty, a real social security number with the amnesty and then we will have hard working americans...instead of "illegal" aliens.....
Sure, because granting amnesty won't result in more illegal aliens trying to cross the border illegally.

Illegal aliens are criminals no matter how you try to spin it.

We have enough homegrown problems in our own country so why do we need to have more?

Mexico is one of the richest 3rd world countries in the world that could certainly be capable of caring for its own if the government cleaned up the corruption and if the parents over there didn't breed so many children whom they can't socially or financially provide for.
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