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Old 05-24-2009, 05:31 PM
 
Location: OC, CA
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Actually, I'm not sure how much I sympathize with them. It's simply something I'm fairly well removed from these days.

Though when my son started first grade, before we wised up and decided that the public school system wasn't in his best educational interests, he had to walk to school rather than riding the bus.

I had seen a bus stopped on the corner by our house with little kids getting on it and had assumed that he would be catching the bus there.

When I called the school to inquire about this, I was informed that the bus was only for "bi-lingual" students. They weren't amused when I told them that my son was somewhat fluent in Italian. Looking back, I wish I would have pushed the issue a bit more.

They also had a couple of what they called bi-lingual classrooms. What that really meant was that only espanol was used in those classrooms. They'd throw five or six English speaking children in them and let them sink or swim.

I believe that...especially with the way the economy is now...that anyone who provides an illegal alien with a job rather than an American citizen is a traitor to this country.

That said, I know very little about the cultural impact that this is having on where some of you live. It's interesting to read about it.
Its had a dramatic affect on Disneyland.

 
Old 05-24-2009, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Gary, WV & Springfield, ME
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I visited Disneyland on May 16th for the first time in 22 years (since I was a child). I have never been so irritated in my life as the day I went there. First off, the tickets cost $94.
The ticket price has nothing to do with what language you speak. And before paying it, you always have the option of not paying it and doing something less expensive for the day - like going to see a movie or taking the family on a picnic.

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And when I got into the park, NOBODY spoke english. You would have thought this was Disneyland Mexico! It was utterly unbelievable.
Disney is very big on diversity and intercultural acceptance. I believe you and your wife could learn and grow as employees (also known as cast members) there.

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The people at the park were sooooo rude (mainly the ones that spoke only spanish)...trying to wedge their 20 kids in front of me and my niece, cutting, one married family man hit my wifes butt, and said "lo siento" and laughed.
Couple things here, how do you determine people to be rude just because they are speaking in a different language? You have to understand that the parents or guardians of several children are focused on keeping the group together and might not have noticed you if you didn't say anything. to just assume they were rude and cutting in line enmasse doesn't seem like a fair assessment of one incident.

If someone slapped your wife's fanny, you should have addressed it right then and there by getting the attention of a cast member (employee) to report it.

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We got so many dirty and awkward looks from some people as if we were a strange breed in some foreign country.
I wonder if they were returning the looks you were giving them. You have expressed how unhappy you were and even titled this thread Sad day at Disneyland. I suspect they were trying to show you how you appeared to them. It's so easy to see the speck in someone else's eye when you can't see the beam in your own.

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I just couldn't believe how some of these families, who had 5+ kids, could afford to drop $500 on a trip to Disneyland.
Sounds like they work hard for their money and wanted to splurge with the family on the same day you decided to attend. Perhaps you should have asked what they do for a living and ask if they need any help. Never hurts to keep your employment options open.

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This park was, no joke, almost ALL spanish speakers (not just hispanics or other legal citizens whom I dont have a problem with, but people who literally spoke no english). I asked one of the older men (he worked as an information man) about it, and he said that Disney forces him to take classes at the local community college in order to learn spanish to cater to the almost 100% spanish speaking population at Disneyland, and that new employee's are almost required to speak spanish to be in serious contention for a job.
I don't think you are able to really assess that all these patrons could not speak English. It sounds as though they were speaking casually among themselves and if I were in another country but in the company of English speaking people, I would be speaking English inside my own group. I know for a fact that the population at Disney is not Spanish speaking. I know people who work there and they speak English first and foremost.

You asked one man, one older man about it. I think you should have asked more than just one man. Perhaps asking to speak with someone in management would have been the better solution. Guest Relations is a good place to start. They can always find a manager for any guest that has issues with their overall experience.

I have to wonder how exactly any company *almost requires* employees (cast members) to do anything. The wording alone should be a clue that there was a disgruntled cast member(employee) in front of you. I really wish you had gone to someone else.

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I just didn't think these people, who speak no english and work extrememly low paying jobs, could afford to take a day at Disneyland.
How is it that you just know what these people do for a living and what they make? I'm not sure why you have a problem with people spending their money right here in the USA. Thank goodness that they chose to spend it right here rather than send it out of the country. How can anyone be upset about that?
 
Old 05-24-2009, 05:35 PM
 
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I visited Disneyland on May 16th for the first time in 22 years (since I was a child). I have never been so irritated in my life as the day I went there. First off, the tickets cost $94. And when I got into the park, NOBODY spoke english. You would have thought this was Disneyland Mexico! It was utterly unbelievable. The people at the park were sooooo rude (mainly the ones that spoke only spanish)...trying to wedge their 20 kids in front of me and my niece, cutting, one married family man hit my wifes butt, and said "lo siento" and laughed. We got so many dirty and awkward looks from some people as if we were a strange breed in some foreign country.

I just couldn't believe how some of these families, who had 5+ kids, could afford to drop $500 on a trip to Disneyland. This park was, no joke, almost ALL spanish speakers (not just hispanics or other legal citizens whom I dont have a problem with, but people who literally spoke no english). I asked one of the older men (he worked as an information man) about it, and he said that Disney forces him to take classes at the local community college in order to learn spanish to cater to the almost 100% spanish speaking population at Disneyland, and that new employee's are almost required to speak spanish to be in serious contention for a job.

I was wondering if all parks in the Southwest and Texas are like this. I just didn't think these people, who speak no english and work extrememly low paying jobs, could afford to take a day at Disneyland.

Is there anyone else out there who has visited the Disney park recently and knows what I am talking about? It was the most miserable experience and I hope I don't ever return.
Could it just be a bad trip at Disneyland? I mean that happens where you simply have a bad experience. I was there fairly recently and did not experience tons of rudeness due to illegal immigrants. Just a thought.
 
Old 05-24-2009, 05:40 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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It was like that at Astro World in Houston, before they closed it up.
 
Old 05-24-2009, 05:45 PM
 
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Walt Disney was Hispanic.
 
Old 05-24-2009, 06:41 PM
 
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Default it is sad

it is sad. California has been hit big by illegals.. but its all over the country now.. if disney is right in the middle of it, what choice do they have.. i would wish they used "real id" to check out their employees.. it might work if you all get together and call ice on disney's employees.. only about 8% of border crossers become legal.. so the chances are great that most disney employees are illegal.. you have to call Ice all the time and you can call annonymously if you want.. put up a thread on it and let every one participate.. send it out to all your email contacts and suggest they do the same.. sorta like a chain email.. they work


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Originally Posted by ocexpo View Post
I visited Disneyland on May 16th for the first time in 22 years (since I was a child). I have never been so irritated in my life as the day I went there. First off, the tickets cost $94. And when I got into the park, NOBODY spoke english. You would have thought this was Disneyland Mexico! It was utterly unbelievable. The people at the park were sooooo rude (mainly the ones that spoke only spanish)...trying to wedge their 20 kids in front of me and my niece, cutting, one married family man hit my wifes butt, and said "lo siento" and laughed. We got so many dirty and awkward looks from some people as if we were a strange breed in some foreign country.

I just couldn't believe how some of these families, who had 5+ kids, could afford to drop $500 on a trip to Disneyland. This park was, no joke, almost ALL spanish speakers (not just hispanics or other legal citizens whom I dont have a problem with, but people who literally spoke no english). I asked one of the older men (he worked as an information man) about it, and he said that Disney forces him to take classes at the local community college in order to learn spanish to cater to the almost 100% spanish speaking population at Disneyland, and that new employee's are almost required to speak spanish to be in serious contention for a job.

I was wondering if all parks in the Southwest and Texas are like this. I just didn't think these people, who speak no english and work extrememly low paying jobs, could afford to take a day at Disneyland.

Is there anyone else out there who has visited the Disney park recently and knows what I am talking about? It was the most miserable experience and I hope I don't ever return.
 
Old 05-24-2009, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I think that a lot of them do speak and read basic anglais, but they prefer to use their native tongue when among family and friends. It really doesn't bother me to be around it; I feel it gives me a chance to brush up on my language skills.

Do you think that all brown people are here illegally, or just the ones who don't act white enough?
FYI: I have heard White Hispanics speaking Spanish as well.

Flip side: I have known quite a few 'brown' Anglos who do not speak a lick of that tongue.
 
Old 05-24-2009, 06:49 PM
 
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Default oh brother

If you're in America "SPEAK ENGLISH"..why should all of us have to learn many languages just to survive in our own country..In order to become citizens of america, you must learn english..If they don't know english, then they illegal or undocumented as some call it.... I suggest everyone start calling "ice".. you can call annonymous if giving your name bothers you, but call often.. start chain emails and tell all in your groups to forward to all about disney hiring illegals..Ice will check into it.. if they legal, nothing to worry about, if not, deport them.. If i see a group of hispanics working in 1 place i call the employer and notify employer that i'm contacting ice.. they always tell me their employees are legal and i respond saying "you have nothing to worry about then.. in most cases, the next day, these illegals are gone.. it works.. call employer then call ice.. you have to call ice often but eventually they check it out.. it absolutely works..the key is calling often.. I belong to many groups and we all keep in contact and help each other with this. We have thousands of contacts here in maryland and other areas..




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Originally Posted by AliceT View Post
The ticket price has nothing to do with what language you speak. And before paying it, you always have the option of not paying it and doing something less expensive for the day - like going to see a movie or taking the family on a picnic.

Disney is very big on diversity and intercultural acceptance. I believe you and your wife could learn and grow as employees (also known as cast members) there.

Couple things here, how do you determine people to be rude just because they are speaking in a different language? You have to understand that the parents or guardians of several children are focused on keeping the group together and might not have noticed you if you didn't say anything. to just assume they were rude and cutting in line enmasse doesn't seem like a fair assessment of one incident.

If someone slapped your wife's fanny, you should have addressed it right then and there by getting the attention of a cast member (employee) to report it.

I wonder if they were returning the looks you were giving them. You have expressed how unhappy you were and even titled this thread Sad day at Disneyland. I suspect they were trying to show you how you appeared to them. It's so easy to see the speck in someone else's eye when you can't see the beam in your own.

Sounds like they work hard for their money and wanted to splurge with the family on the same day you decided to attend. Perhaps you should have asked what they do for a living and ask if they need any help. Never hurts to keep your employment options open.



I don't think you are able to really assess that all these patrons could not speak English. It sounds as though they were speaking casually among themselves and if I were in another country but in the company of English speaking people, I would be speaking English inside my own group. I know for a fact that the population at Disney is not Spanish speaking. I know people who work there and they speak English first and foremost.

You asked one man, one older man about it. I think you should have asked more than just one man. Perhaps asking to speak with someone in management would have been the better solution. Guest Relations is a good place to start. They can always find a manager for any guest that has issues with their overall experience.

I have to wonder how exactly any company *almost requires* employees (cast members) to do anything. The wording alone should be a clue that there was a disgruntled cast member(employee) in front of you. I really wish you had gone to someone else.

How is it that you just know what these people do for a living and what they make? I'm not sure why you have a problem with people spending their money right here in the USA. Thank goodness that they chose to spend it right here rather than send it out of the country. How can anyone be upset about that?
 
Old 05-24-2009, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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So it would have been okay with you had their been a few touristy, foreign types interspersed with lilly white faces?

Do you think that the way they looked at you could possibly have been a reflection of the look in your own eyes as you looked at them?

How big is Disneyland?
Suffice to say: if said Latinos were here legally, I doubt that ocexpo would have looked at them with contempt.

Although; prejudice is indeed building against people who look Mestizo; irrespective of their actual race/ethnicity/legal status courtesy of the antics of the mostly 'brown' illegal aliens.
 
Old 05-24-2009, 06:51 PM
 
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Default i guess you

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Originally Posted by AliceT View Post
The ticket price has nothing to do with what language you speak. And before paying it, you always have the option of not paying it and doing something less expensive for the day - like going to see a movie or taking the family on a picnic.

Disney is very big on diversity and intercultural acceptance. I believe you and your wife could learn and grow as employees (also known as cast members) there.

Couple things here, how do you determine people to be rude just because they are speaking in a different language? You have to understand that the parents or guardians of several children are focused on keeping the group together and might not have noticed you if you didn't say anything. to just assume they were rude and cutting in line enmasse doesn't seem like a fair assessment of one incident.

If someone slapped your wife's fanny, you should have addressed it right then and there by getting the attention of a cast member (employee) to report it.

I wonder if they were returning the looks you were giving them. You have expressed how unhappy you were and even titled this thread Sad day at Disneyland. I suspect they were trying to show you how you appeared to them. It's so easy to see the speck in someone else's eye when you can't see the beam in your own.

Sounds like they work hard for their money and wanted to splurge with the family on the same day you decided to attend. Perhaps you should have asked what they do for a living and ask if they need any help. Never hurts to keep your employment options open.



I don't think you are able to really assess that all these patrons could not speak English. It sounds as though they were speaking casually among themselves and if I were in another country but in the company of English speaking people, I would be speaking English inside my own group. I know for a fact that the population at Disney is not Spanish speaking. I know people who work there and they speak English first and foremost.

You asked one man, one older man about it. I think you should have asked more than just one man. Perhaps asking to speak with someone in management would have been the better solution. Guest Relations is a good place to start. They can always find a manager for any guest that has issues with their overall experience.

I have to wonder how exactly any company *almost requires* employees (cast members) to do anything. The wording alone should be a clue that there was a disgruntled cast member(employee) in front of you. I really wish you had gone to someone else.

How is it that you just know what these people do for a living and what they make? I'm not sure why you have a problem with people spending their money right here in the USA. Thank goodness that they chose to spend it right here rather than send it out of the country. How can anyone be upset about that?


they are sending billions out of the country.. especially to mexico
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