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Old 05-28-2009, 05:20 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I don't think I could stand that. I feel bad for California since it was so much better before this all started happening.
In some Cities like Escondido it's estimated that up to 2 out of 10 drivers are unlicensed or uninsured. It's a pretty chilling stat when you are on the road with them. The hit and run rate is one of the highest in the state.
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Old 05-28-2009, 07:26 AM
 
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In some Cities like Escondido it's estimated that up to 2 out of 10 drivers are unlicensed or uninsured. It's a pretty chilling stat when you are on the road with them. The hit and run rate is one of the highest in the state.
They estimate the same problem in Florida to be around 25% which is ridiculous. We just keep paying for it one way or another. Here the illegals stick out like sore thumbs because they usually drive the worst beater cars you will ever see and 20mph under the speed limit so they can't get caught speeding and deported. Every time you see this you look over and sure enough it's an illegal. When will enough be enough??
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Old 05-28-2009, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Texas
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It's gone on for awhile and by far most are from Mexico.
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Old 05-28-2009, 01:55 PM
 
Location: NYC
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They estimate the same problem in Florida to be around 25% which is ridiculous. We just keep paying for it one way or another. Here the illegals stick out like sore thumbs because they usually drive the worst beater cars you will ever see and 20mph under the speed limit so they can't get caught speeding and deported. Every time you see this you look over and sure enough it's an illegal. When will enough be enough??
Really? You can tell by just looking at people, wow, that's a great ability you have there!
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Old 05-28-2009, 01:58 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Oh I'm in NYC, here you really can't spot illegal immigrants almost at all because is so integrated. Since NYC is so diverse we have illegal immigrants from just about everywhere.
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Old 05-28-2009, 02:22 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Ask the managers of some of Austin's construction companies and service businesses what they would do without illegal workers, and they give the same answer: nothing.
"It would shut us down, and I cannot think of a single construction company that could operate," said a construction company manager who estimates 70 percent of his workers are illegal. "There would be no construction projects, because there are not enough (legal workers) in Austin to fill those positions."



Austin's booming economy and 2 percent unemployment rate have made the area a magnet for illegal immigrants. They build the new subdivisions and the high-tech factories, wash the dishes after power lunches, trim the office park hedges and take out the corporate trash.

"The reason that this boom has been sustainable is because of the labor of the undocumented workers that has kept prices low,"

An illegal immigrant living in South Austin put it more bluntly: "Would you wash dishes for $4.50 an hour?"

The INS estimates there are at least 700,000 illegal immigrants in Texas. No one can say for sure how many live and work in Austin, but the city has tried to make them feel welcome -- or at least less fearful. The City Council passed a resolution in 1997 declaring Austin a "safety zone" and forbidding city agencies from asking people's immigration status, a policy also followed by the Austin Police Department.
That don't-ask-don't-tell philosophy is at work throughout Austin. The construction company manager said when he hires workers, "they give us papers, they give us Social Security numbers, all of which says they're here legally."



Hal Seimer, spokesman for Austin-based Texans for Fair Immigration, said Austin is a perfect example of what's wrong with the country's immigration enforcement: The INS does little to punish employers who hire illegal workers, while the city practically condones illegal immigration.
"Americans are paying the tab for their cheap labor," said Seimer, whose group favors reduced immigration. "They need to pay what an American citizen is willing to do it for. I have a lot more sympathy for the immigrants than I have for the employers, because the immigrants are coming here out of economic necessity, and the employers are exploiting it."
Former City of Austin employee Andrew Henry agrees. Henry, 50, who recently retired from his maintenance job in the city's Public Works and Transportation Department, said illegal immigrants take jobs from some U.S. citizens and drive down wages for others. "Where you or I wouldn't take a job for $8, they'll take it for $2 or $3 an hour," he said.
Several employers said illegal immigrants' pay is comparable to what legal residents earn. Illegal immigrants said they are paid less than legal workers. Both say they don't see Americans lining up for manual labor.
"I've never had an Anglo person come in here and ask for a job," an Austin cleaning company manager said. "I think Americans don't want the jobs that we've got."
Some employers say they prefer hiring illegal immigrants to citizens and argue that hiring U.S. citizens would drive up costs for everyone.
"It would probably double the price of a house, and it would take them three to four times longer to finish a house," said an Austin contractor who builds house foundations. U.S. citizens "wouldn't work as fast as illegals -- you see them out there in 100-degree weather swinging a sledgehammer all day long."
Even though employers say they are desperate for help and welfare reform laws are pushing more people off state welfare rolls, few people are leaving public assistance to work in construction, landscaping and other jobs where illegal immigrants are prevalent.
According to the Texas Workforce Commission, the top jobs landed by the more than 800 Travis County residents who left state welfare rolls in the year ending Sept. 30 were all indoors: cashier, child-care worker, clerical or administrative support worker, food preparer and home health aide.
At American Youthworks, an Austin nonprofit group that helps train people who are just entering the work force, Jennifer Price said the students prefer office and clerical positions to less prestigious jobs that involve mopping floors or working outside in the heat.
"This generation is choosy, because I guess they can be," said Price, who runs the organization's career resource center.
Ken Dillinger, a local chef, said he sees "help wanted" signs all over town.
"The work's there if people look for it," Dillinger said. Illegal immigrants "are doing jobs nobody else wants."

Makes me so damn mad my blood boils!!
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Old 05-28-2009, 02:43 PM
 
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Since 1492.
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Old 06-03-2009, 11:17 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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San Francisco. Since it's such a cosmopolitan city, difficult to tell. Most of them, according to the news sources, come either from Mexico or South America. Los Angeles and the Central Valley attract many more. Illegal immigrants flock to California due to its proximity to Mexico, the fact that SF and now Oakland are considered "sanctuary cities," the ready free social services available, and so forth.

California is in the worst shape economically in its history. Our budget is mainly for prisons, healthcare and educaton.
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Old 06-04-2009, 07:21 AM
 
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You can go back to 1800's when the Irish were coming to the USA and Irish born in the USA where telling them to go back home. Nothing has change. Everyone at one time came on a boat to the USA unless your were a native Indian. America welcomes everyone with open arms.
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Old 06-04-2009, 09:07 AM
 
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You can go back to 1800's when the Irish were coming to the USA and Irish born in the USA where telling them to go back home. Nothing has change. Everyone at one time came on a boat to the USA unless your were a native Indian. America welcomes everyone with open arms.
Not if you are here illegally.
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