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View Poll Results: Do You Support Passage of the DREAMAct?
Yes, they were brought here are innocent children 37 24.03%
No, they are nothing more than the 2nd generation of illegal alien criminals 117 75.97%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 154. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-08-2009, 11:36 AM
 
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Irrelevant.

Since one of your arguments hinges on sources of funding, that statement is VERY relevant. Most funds, for U Mich, UC and UT are private.

The “majority” pay income taxes? Really? Do you have evidence to support your assertion, other than a report from an illegal alien peddler? Would the HUGE percentage paid in cash be included in the majority? Any amount they may pay is negligible compared to the tax-funded services they receive.

It's been stated before. SEVERAL times. I suggest you look back at previous posts, as I and others posted links at least 5 or 6 times now.

To allow the children of illegals to receive preferential treatment over foreigners residing in this country legally, is in fact rewarding illegals for ignoring our laws. Their parents bring them here illegally, and we reward them with a tax-funded K-12 education, and in-state college tuition. That's not a bad deal for illegals. If they want to “contribute” to a country, let them contribute to their countries of origin. Again, if they want to attend college, let them pay.

Not receiving preferential treatment. That's an interesting concept that is highly flawed. Again, they will pay...but they should (nor should anyone) pay the hyper inflated tuition rates we currently have.

Yes, college is expensive. How does that obligate us to subsidize the college education of illegal aliens?

Nobody is fully subsidizing...also the majority is aid is in loan form...meaning that there is repayment with interest.

We should focus on raising educational attainment within our most distressed communities.
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Old 12-08-2009, 03:59 PM
 
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Of course. WHo do you think pays the gov't taxes so that they can give those loans to students? Also, ever heard of sub. loans?
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Old 12-08-2009, 04:26 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Irrelevant.

Since one of your arguments hinges on sources of funding, that statement is VERY relevant. Most funds, for U Mich, UC and UT are private.

The “majority” pay income taxes? Really? Do you have evidence to support your assertion, other than a report from an illegal alien peddler? Would the HUGE percentage paid in cash be included in the majority? Any amount they may pay is negligible compared to the tax-funded services they receive.

It's been stated before. SEVERAL times. I suggest you look back at previous posts, as I and others posted links at least 5 or 6 times now.

To allow the children of illegals to receive preferential treatment over foreigners residing in this country legally, is in fact rewarding illegals for ignoring our laws. Their parents bring them here illegally, and we reward them with a tax-funded K-12 education, and in-state college tuition. That's not a bad deal for illegals. If they want to “contribute” to a country, let them contribute to their countries of origin. Again, if they want to attend college, let them pay.

Not receiving preferential treatment. That's an interesting concept that is highly flawed. Again, they will pay...but they should (nor should anyone) pay the hyper inflated tuition rates we currently have.

Yes, college is expensive. How does that obligate us to subsidize the college education of illegal aliens?

Nobody is fully subsidizing...also the majority is aid is in loan form...meaning that there is repayment with interest.

We should focus on raising educational attainment within our most distressed communities.
How many loans were paid back by the est 5 million Illegals that bought homes in the US since about 2000? Not many. How many were foreclosed on? Millions.

Not a very good track record.
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Old 12-08-2009, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Since one of your arguments hinges on sources of funding, that statement is VERY relevant. Most funds, for U Mich, UC and UT are private.

Most does not equal all. Again, irrelevant.

It's been stated before. SEVERAL times. I suggest you look back at previous posts, as I and others posted links at least 5 or 6 times now.

The “proof” you have provided is pro-illegal propaganda. Hardly credible sources. Furthermore, there is no separate category for illegal alien taxpayers, so how does anyone know if, or what, they are paying?

Not receiving preferential treatment. That's an interesting concept that is highly flawed. Again, they will pay...but they should (nor should anyone) pay the hyper inflated tuition rates we currently have.

Universities have every right to require foreigners to pay higher rates. However, offering in-state tuition to foreigners here in violation of our laws, while requiring those here legally to pay higher rates, is not only preferential treatment, it is blatant discrimination. Moreover, foreigners here legally must pay to attend our public schools. Why should illegals get a free ride? Again, the lawbreakers are rewarded. In doing so, there is no incentive to play by the rules, since those who don’t receive all of the goodies.

Nobody is fully subsidizing...also the majority is aid is in loan form...meaning that there is repayment with interest.

We should focus on raising educational attainment within our most distressed communities.
No loans or subsidies should be granted to illegal aliens. Heck, all they have to do is use one of their numerous aliases, or fake IDs. Do you actually expect them to suddenly become honest when their entire lives have been based on lies and deception? Please.

If they can’t pay for their education, let them return home and request help. We are tapped out.
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Old 12-10-2009, 09:31 AM
 
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Of course. WHo do you think pays the gov't taxes so that they can give those loans to students? Also, ever heard of sub. loans?
Those are loans. There's interest. So it's not really subsidized as in being free. You still pay MORE than the original cost...The gov't actually turns a profit.
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Old 12-10-2009, 09:35 AM
 
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No loans or subsidies should be granted to illegal aliens. Heck, all they have to do is use one of their numerous aliases, or fake IDs. Do you actually expect them to suddenly become honest when their entire lives have been based on lies and deception? Please.

Why? That goes against one of YOUR core complaints that illegal immigrants are uneducated. Why not educate them. Again the gov't MAKES money off the loans.

You speed down the freeway I assume. Most Americans do.This constitutes as breaking the law. Does that mean that we should assume that they base their lives on crime? No.

Also, there are no stats to state that the majority of illegal immigrant college students use fake ids.

If they can’t pay for their education, let them return home and request help. We are tapped out.

That would compound the problem more, since most likely they would stay in the US and enter into LOWER paying jobs and not contribute as much.
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Old 12-10-2009, 09:39 AM
 
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How many loans were paid back by the est 5 million Illegals that bought homes in the US since about 2000? Not many. How many were foreclosed on? Millions.

Not a very good track record.
Facts or speculation? My guess the latter...

In general student loans have a lower rate of delinquency and non-payment...more so than mortgage.

You haven't broken down the demographics (who takes out subprime loans vs. student loans), not millions of homes have been sold to illegal immigrants that have been foreclosed upon (since that would mean at least 1 out of 6 illegal immigrants have bought a home...millions vs million).

So great job there with that baseless speculation.
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Old 12-10-2009, 11:03 AM
 
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Why? That goes against one of YOUR core complaints that illegal immigrants are uneducated. Why not educate them. Again the gov't MAKES money off the loans.

You speed down the freeway I assume. Most Americans do.This constitutes as breaking the law. Does that mean that we should assume that they base their lives on crime? No.

Also, there are no stats to state that the majority of illegal immigrant college students use fake ids.

That would compound the problem more, since most likely they would stay in the US and enter into LOWER paying jobs and not contribute as much.
Yes, the majority of illegals are uneducated. However, it is not the obligation of the U.S. to provide them with a college education. They are already creating budget deficits for states at the primary and secondary school level.

Not that inane “speeding” argument again. There is a HUGE difference between someone driving in excess of the posted speed limit, and someone entering a country illegally, stealing IDs to work, lying on EVERY document from I-9 forms to loan applications, using aliases, etc, etc, etc. Their entire existence in this country is based on fraud and theft. In other words, they are criminals.

Of course they use fake IDs. How do you think many of these students work? I’m surprised they even remember their own names. Visit the Dream Act Portal Forum, and you will discover just how lacking they are in “good moral character.”

They will be returning home soon, so they can further their education in their countries of origin. If they remain uneducated, that’s their problem.
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Old 12-10-2009, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Facts or speculation? My guess the latter...

In general student loans have a lower rate of delinquency and non-payment...more so than mortgage.

You haven't broken down the demographics (who takes out subprime loans vs. student loans), not millions of homes have been sold to illegal immigrants that have been foreclosed upon (since that would mean at least 1 out of 6 illegal immigrants have bought a home...millions vs million).

So great job there with that baseless speculation.
Yes, for citizens. However, illegals have only to flee the country to avoid repayment. It would be utter insanity to authorize student loans for people who have no respect for our laws. They are only interested in using this country. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Old 12-11-2009, 04:50 AM
 
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Yes, for citizens. However, illegals have only to flee the country to avoid repayment. It would be utter insanity to authorize student loans for people who have no respect for our laws. They are only interested in using this country. Nothing more, nothing less.
Right, because US citizens couldn't flee or not simply pay...only illegal immigrants capable. Illegal immigration status makes you soooo much more likely to do this if you if you become a student.
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