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Old 05-30-2009, 09:47 PM
 
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If I said that to an illegal immigrant from El Salvador for example, I would be considered a racist, correct ?


But if I said the exact same thing to an illegal immigrant from Russia, I would not be considered a racist at all, correct ?


Because double standards like that are pretty common in the politically correct America that we live in today.
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Old 05-30-2009, 09:53 PM
 
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It's not considered racist. Controlling, petty, xenophobic, nativist, maybe.

What's your guy's obsession with being scared of people calling you racist, and calling people racist at the same time? I've seen the word "racist" hundreds of times on here, and they're all from the "anti-illegals".
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Old 05-30-2009, 10:20 PM
 
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It's not considered racist. Controlling, petty, xenophobic, nativist, maybe.
How could it be xenophobic and/or nativistic to say that to an illegal alien?
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Old 05-30-2009, 10:24 PM
 
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I wouldn't phrase it that way but I do think people who want to live here need to learn the language. I don't believe it should be necessary to have everything translated into Spanish, which is becoming the norm. I'm not racist at all but I know that's what everyone else does when they move from one country to another and expect to be treated equally.
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Old 05-30-2009, 10:27 PM
 
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I wouldn't phrase it that way but I do think people who want to live here need to learn the language. I don't believe it should be necessary to have everything translated into Spanish, which is becoming the norm. I'm not racist at all but I know that's what everyone else does when they move from one country to another and expect to be treated equally.
Agreed.

It is the absolute responsibility of the immigrant to learn the (de facto or de jure) language(s) and follow the customs of a country when he/she is living there and not to force it upon the locals.
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Old 05-30-2009, 10:32 PM
 
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If I said that to an illegal immigrant from El Salvador for example, I would be considered a racist, correct ?


But if I said the exact same thing to an illegal immigrant from Russia, I would not be considered a racist at all, correct ?


Because double standards like that are pretty common in the politically correct America that we live in today.
Wrong on all 3 statements.
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Old 05-30-2009, 10:41 PM
 
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Agreed.

It is the absolute responsibility of the immigrant to learn the (de facto or de jure) language(s) and follow the customs of a country when he/she is living there and not to force it upon the locals.
That is strictly a 'judgement call'....nowhere is it written that immigrants have ANY responsibility to the 'host' country...that's just a matter of custom. If the host country DEMANDS strict compliance with its laws; demands immigrants arrive LEGALLY or be refused admittance; and refuses to do 'business' with any new arrival in anything but ITS language, then so be it; new arrivals, as you said, would have the responsibility to "get with the program, or get out".

However, if a country does NOT require anything of its new arrivals...if it allows millions of people to live in its territory illegally; if it insists it has no hard-and-fast definable 'culture', and has no official language, then immigrants....(even illegal ones) have no 'responsibility' to comply with 'rules' that the host country ITSELF either doesn't have, or doesn't take seriously enough to enforce.

Feeling 'responsible' or 'grateful' to one's benefactors, or one's hosts, is strictly a matter of culture...and personal morality. In some places, this makes perfect sense...in other places, though, a benefactor who sets no conditions on the 'benefits' he passes out, and requires nothing in return, simply looks like an 'easy mark'....and an 'easy mark' gets no respect. In much of the 'Third World', ANYTHING freely 'given away' with 'no strings attached', rapidly comes to be seen as a 'right', or an 'entitlement'. That's just human nature. It's all up to the host country...and just now the US is pretty much 'giving it away', and requiring nothing in return....and the 'beneficiaries' are reacting to this in the predictable way...by seeing all that we have here as 'theirs'. Should this surprise us? I don't see why.
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Old 05-30-2009, 10:57 PM
 
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Then perhaps we can tie the receiving of any social services to the ability to speak the language. It's a win-win situation.
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Old 05-31-2009, 12:58 AM
 
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I'd say the illegal immigrant is disrespectful, dishonest, nativist, elitist, among other things (and I would add xenophobic as well since most of them are all about 'la raza' domination).

Just traduce en espanol, and you have a full on debate with an illegal immigrant.
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Old 05-31-2009, 08:27 AM
 
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How could it be xenophobic and/or nativistic to say that to an illegal alien?
I don't believe an illegal that can't speak English should be told to learn it, because the only thing that should happen to them is deportation. They can speak whatever language but back home.
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