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Old 05-31-2009, 09:08 PM
 
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Most legal Hispanic immigrants do in fact assimilate and learn English. However, by and large, Hispanic illegal aliens don’t. Why should they, when they are constantly being coddled? Thus far, they have shown little if any interest in assimilation. They are simply here to get what they can. They are not here to become Americans, or to embrace the American culture.
Legal Hispanics, illegal Hispanics, American born Hispanics often live in the same communities. They are often "targeted" collectively by PR agencies of corporations. Whether they are legal or illegal has nothing to do with the whole language marketing thing.
You are making a distinction where there isn't one.

A Hispanic who overstays his visa isn't that different than a Hispanic who is still on his visa, at least in regards to businesses marketing to them, and their preference for Spanish.

I don't see how anyone could logically make that point..unless they believe "illegals" are a separate race that are inherently "bad people", so legals learn English, and illegals don't. That's another one of those pesky generalizations. In reality, it comes down to the individual. Some legals don't wholeheartedly accept English(of ANY race), some illegals will..especially those raised here most of their lives. And residing here without documents doesn't say as much about an individuals character as you guys make it out to be.

That's an example of how a legitimate issue is made emotional by you guys.
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Old 05-31-2009, 09:14 PM
 
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Thank you.

The comparison of Asians in the US and Hispanics in the US in this thread is devoid of context.
Yes, this shouldn't be a race issue. It's supposed to be legal vs. illegal. Talking about how other groups are better than Hispanics crosses that line of keeping it about the issue. It is unnecessarily offensive to compare ethnic groups, saying some are more favorable than others.

And THAT is a "slap in the face" to legal Hispanic immigrants that some on here claim they care about.
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Old 05-31-2009, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Legal Hispanics, illegal Hispanics, American born Hispanics often live in the same communities. They are often "targeted" collectively by PR agencies of corporations. Whether they are legal or illegal has nothing to do with the whole language marketing thing.
You are making a distinction where there isn't one.

A Hispanic who overstays his visa isn't that different than a Hispanic who is still on his visa, at least in regards to businesses marketing to them, and their preference for Spanish.

I don't see how anyone could logically make that point..unless they believe "illegals" are a separate race that are inherently "bad people", so legals learn English, and illegals don't. That's another one of those pesky generalizations. In reality, it comes down to the individual. Some legals don't wholeheartedly accept English(of ANY race), some illegals will..especially those raised here most of their lives. And residing here without documents doesn't say as much about an individuals character as you guys make it out to be.

That's an example of how a legitimate issue is made emotional by you guys.
Flip side:

The fact that many legal Latinos do not speak out against the illegal ones basically damns any person who self identifies as a Hispanic (even ones who dislike illegals).

It is called guilt by association.
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Old 05-31-2009, 09:31 PM
 
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wasn't the US in uproar when lower class irish immigrated during the famine?
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Old 05-31-2009, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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wasn't the US in uproar when lower class irish immigrated during the famine?
Apples and oranges.

The Irish immigrants were usually legal----------------can the same be said about Mexican ones?
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Old 05-31-2009, 09:34 PM
 
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In all fairness: English is; if not an official language............it is the de facto tongue of the Philippines itself.

The USA effectively stamped out the use of Spanish there in just two generations; remember the Philippines was a colony of Spain till 1898.

Another example is Staten Island, New York where 37% of the population is Italian yet you do not see any major retail stores over there with signs written in Italian.
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Old 05-31-2009, 09:35 PM
 
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Apples and oranges.

The Irish immigrants were usually legal----------------can the same be said about Mexican ones?
I'm sure you meant to say "can the same be said about the ILLEGAL Mexican ones?", right?
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Old 05-31-2009, 09:36 PM
 
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Another example is Staten Island, New York where 37% of the population is Italian yet you do not see any signs written in Italian at any of the major retail stores.
WEAK comparison. Most of the people in suburban Staten Island may be of Italian descent, but I'm sure most of those Italians are American. Maybe with immigrant roots in the city, but not Italian.

Meanwhile, when they WERE immigrants, you would hear lots of Italian in Little Italys.
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Old 05-31-2009, 09:38 PM
 
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Flip side:

The fact that many legal Latinos do not speak out against the illegal ones basically damns any person who self identifies as a Hispanic (even ones who dislike illegals).

It is called guilt by association.
Again, stop being fixated on race.
Latinos have as much right to be indifferent and apathetic toward this issue as the rest of Americans who are indifferent and apathetic toward this issue.

You are not more American than Americans of Latino descent in this country. You're in no place to judge them or call them out on anything. Sorry.
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Old 05-31-2009, 09:43 PM
 
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Flip side:

The fact that many legal Latinos do not speak out against the illegal ones basically damns any person who self identifies as a Hispanic (even ones who dislike illegals).

It is called guilt by association.
Bear,
That is a slap on the face for all Hispanics out there, Sorry man, but it is. So now being Latino/Hispanic is "guitly" because of their ethnicity?
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