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Old 06-04-2009, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Benicar, sounds like you lose. You just don't have the background to comment on this subject..but shucks, don't feel bad....no one does. I thought I knew a few things, too...sadly, like you, I found I was mistaken.

The best thing folks like us can do, apparently, is to keep our 'mouths shut and our ears open'. Let's step aside here and learn from those who KNOW about these things.

Best of luck to you....and remember..."It's not your fault" Living here in America, there's just no way you COULD have known any better.
I think you’re right. What could I, a black woman, possibly know about the experiences of blacks in this country? What could I possibly know about the quality of education available in the black community; or the environment in which blacks live; or for that matter, what could I possibly know about ANYTHING related to Black folks? Actually, I have a heck of a lot of nerve even broaching the subject.

Thanks, macmeal! I can always count on you to help me see the light.
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Old 06-04-2009, 01:43 PM
 
Location: The world, where will fate take me this time?
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I do believe that a compromise will be reached eventually.

In my humble and personal opinion and perception, this world is dual, impermanent and relative, those are the only constants of the world.

People changes, Society changes, Countries change, nothing stands still but yet it's part of the human nature to cling desperately to what is familiar for us and resist those changes even though resistance is futile in most of the cases.

Unfortunately, most changes are slow and painful but they eventually happen, this global era has just began, younger generations are growing with it and embracing it much faster than us, it is natural for them, they have friends in several countries and play videogames online with them, for a lot of people those concepts such as nationality, ethnicity, culture aren't that important anymore, and as the younger generations continue to grow up there will be one day when all this doesn't matter anymore, there won't be illegal immigrants because there will be much less restrictions to immigration people will be able to live and work wherever they want. When they read about our era in their history books, they will reflect on how primitive we were, just the same way we do when we read about the middle ages.

I don't know if this will take decades or centuries, but hopefully we'll be alive to see it.

Even though some days it seems that we are going downwards mankind is still in the rise and we will evolve into something more fairer, less selfish, less petty, less materialistic and more spiritual, these are just the growing pains.

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Old 06-04-2009, 01:46 PM
 
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I think you’re right. What could I, a black woman, possibly know about the experiences of blacks in this country? What could I possibly know about the quality of education available in the black community; or the environment in which blacks live; or for that matter, what could I possibly know about ANYTHING related to Black folks? Actually, I have a heck of a lot of nerve even broaching the subject.

Wow, not even on topic. Good one. Good for you for being to avoid the major talking points! Kudos! You rock on being able to only see one variable to complex problems. You know who else did? President Bush entering into Iraq. Good thing he decided to look at things as simply as possible without understanding the subject at hand. Also real good at avoiding the subject. Future politician in the making here? Watch out White House Benicar is movin' on up!

Let's not even mention the discrimination that occurs on today's poor. Let's glaze over facts and figures. Let's not look at root causes. Instead, let's place blame SOLELY on the individual. After all, it is their fault they are poor. Why can't they simply WANT to be better off? They are too lazy to be rich. Hell, they are so lazy that they rather die an early death.

Thanks, macmeal! I can always count on you to help me see the light.


Yeah thanks mac...for being a shining beacon for us all!
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Old 06-04-2009, 01:51 PM
 
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I do believe that a compromise will be reached eventually.

Me too, but I think it will be a long from now.

In my humble and personal opinion and perception, this world is dual, impermanent and relative, those are the only constants of the world.

People changes, Society changes, Countries change, nothing stands still but yet it's part of the human nature to cling desperately to what is familiar for us and resist those changes even though resistance is futile in most of the cases.

I just hope we change towards global equality, not having a Global South and Global North.

Unfortunately, most changes slow and painful but they eventually happen, this global era has just began, younger generations are growing with it and embracing it much faster than us, it is natural for them, they have friends in several countries and play videogames online with them, for a lot of people those concepts such as nationality, ethnicity culture aren't that important anymore, and as the younger generations continue to grow up there will be one day when all this doesn't matter anymore, there won't be illegal immigrants because there will be much less restrictions to immigration people will be able to live and work wherever they want. When they read about our era in their history books, they will reflect on how primitive we were, just the same way we do when we read about the middle ages.

Increasingly, as we become a global economy (with multinational corps) as well as having communication across vast distances instantly...we will def. become a larger, more integrated community. With that said, this will only be able to occur if the global wealth disaparities lessen.

I don't know if this will take decades or centuries, but hopefully we'll be alive to see it.

Me too.

Even though some days it seems that we are going downwards mankind is still in the rise and we will evolve into something more fairer, less selfish, less petty, less materialistic and more spiritual.

I don't know...on the one hand, as the French say "the more things change, the more they stay the same"...on the other hand, things def. have changed.
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Old 06-04-2009, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I think you’re right. What could I, a black woman, possibly know about the experiences of blacks in this country? What could I possibly know about the quality of education available in the black community; or the environment in which blacks live; or for that matter, what could I possibly know about ANYTHING related to Black folks? Actually, I have a heck of a lot of nerve even broaching the subject.

Wow, not even on topic. Good one. Good for you for being to avoid the major talking points! Kudos! You rock on being able to only see one variable to complex problems. You know who else did? President Bush entering into Iraq. Good thing he decided to look at things as simply as possible without understanding the subject at hand. Also real good at avoiding the subject. Future politician in the making here? Watch out White House Benicar is movin' on up!

Let's not even mention the discrimination that occurs on today's poor. Let's glaze over facts and figures. Let's not look at root causes. Instead, let's place blame SOLELY on the individual. After all, it is their fault they are poor. Why can't they simply WANT to be better off? They are too lazy to be rich. Hell, they are so lazy that they rather die an early death.

Thanks, macmeal! I can always count on you to help me see the light.


Yeah thanks mac...for being a shining beacon for us all!
Perhaps a reminder is warranted. This is the Illegal Immigration Forum, and we discuss issues pertaining to illegal aliens. If you want to engage in a lengthy dialogue on Blacks in America, there are other forums for that purpose.

Trying to deflect blame, will by no means further your pro-illegal cause. Furthermore, there is no comparison between the plight of those who willfully choose to violate our laws, and the inequities experienced by lawful citizens of this country, regardless of race/ethnicity. Give it up already.
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Old 06-04-2009, 02:11 PM
 
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[quote=Benicar;9136038]Perhaps a reminder is warranted. This is the Illegal Immigration Forum, and we discuss issues pertaining to illegal aliens. If you want to engage in a lengthy dialogue on Blacks in America, there are other forums for that purpose.

Now, she's back on track! Awesome! Glad to have with us. Just a quick reminder? Who started that tangent? If I remember correctly, you did.

Trying to deflect blame, will by no means further your pro-illegal cause. Furthermore, there is no comparison between the plight of those who willfully choose to violate our laws, and the inequities experienced by lawful citizens of this country, regardless of race/ethnicity. Give it up already.

Really? None whatsoever? Again, read up on it. There are A LOT of similarities. You even touched upon those in your tangent about African Americans. Inequalities such as distribution of wealth and resources are the same. Also, the migration patterns (move from place of little opportunity to a place with more opportunities...Hence why Blacks moved into Compton in the 1950s...and why Blacks moved out of Compton in the 1980s to Moreno Valley, Palmdale, Lancaster...it's all to find a better life).

Go beyond your bubble already.
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Old 06-04-2009, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Perhaps a reminder is warranted. This is the Illegal Immigration Forum, and we discuss issues pertaining to illegal aliens. If you want to engage in a lengthy dialogue on Blacks in America, there are other forums for that purpose.

Trying to deflect blame, will by no means further your pro-illegal cause. Furthermore, there is no comparison between the plight of those who willfully choose to violate our laws, and the inequities experienced by lawful citizens of this country, regardless of race/ethnicity. Give it up already.
As you and I know quite well: most pro illegal alien apologists (especially the crop of losers that were on here just a few days ago) are quite delusional----------at best.
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Old 06-04-2009, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Perhaps a reminder is warranted. This is the Illegal Immigration Forum, and we discuss issues pertaining to illegal aliens. If you want to engage in a lengthy dialogue on Blacks in America, there are other forums for that purpose.

Now, she's back on track! Awesome! Glad to have with us. Just a quick reminder? Who started that tangent? If I remember correctly, you did.

Trying to deflect blame, will by no means further your pro-illegal cause. Furthermore, there is no comparison between the plight of those who willfully choose to violate our laws, and the inequities experienced by lawful citizens of this country, regardless of race/ethnicity. Give it up already.

Really? None whatsoever? Again, read up on it. There are A LOT of similarities. You even touched upon those in your tangent about African Americans. Inequalities such as distribution of wealth and resources are the same. Also, the migration patterns (move from place of little opportunity to a place with more opportunities...Hence why Blacks moved into Compton in the 1950s...and why Blacks moved out of Compton in the 1980s to Moreno Valley, Palmdale, Lancaster...it's all to find a better life).

Go beyond your bubble already.
In one word:

Tough!

We do not owe illegals anything aside from a one way ticket back their homelands. If it means breaking up families---------so be it.
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Old 06-04-2009, 02:18 PM
 
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In one word:

Tough!

We do not owe illegals anything aside from a one way ticket back their homelands. If it means breaking up families---------so be it.

Were is the compasion for the small children? Send the parents back and leave the kids here alone?
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Old 06-04-2009, 02:18 PM
 
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In one word:

Tough!

We do not owe illegals anything aside from a one way ticket back their homelands. If it means breaking up families---------so be it.
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