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Location: The Republic of Texas
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I hear all the time, that this once great country we all live in, would be brought to it's knees, if we really cracked down hard on illegal aliens.
They all say America would not and could not be self sufficient without the exploited, cheap labor coming across our southern border.


How did we do it all those years before the great flood of 1988 and the very beginning of the construction boom. They traded craftsmanship, for cheap labor and hung the Americans out to dry. You never heard of shoddy construction, before, as you do now and they all scratch thier heads and wonder why.
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I hear all the time, that this once great country we all live in, would be brought to it's knees, if we really cracked down hard on illegal aliens.
They all say America would not and could not be self sufficient without the exploited, cheap labor coming across our southern border.


How did we do it all those years before the great flood of 1988 and the very beginning of the construction boom. They traded craftsmanship, for cheap labor and hung the Americans out to dry. You never heard of shoddy construction, before, as you do now and they all scratch thier heads and wonder why.
You got that right, read my take on the subject here. Hung out to dry isn't even the word for it. We were BFed big time man make no mistake.

All this hate towards Hispanic leads to this at the end.
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Location: Helena, Montana
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Yup. It's amazing how many new homes have so many problems, and there are so many homes built in the early 1900's still standing tall because they were built RIGHT.
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Location: southern california
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whole lota people here who dont wana work.
we got soft in 40 years way soft.
the good life has taken its toll.
we could do it, but lots of suffering ahead.
main things americans have to get over
american labor needs to stop being anti labor (anti unions)
american labor needs to put some god in their backbone.
stop thinkin me start thinkin we
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I hear all the time, that this once great country we all live in, would be brought to it's knees, if we really cracked down hard on illegal aliens.
They all say America would not and could not be self sufficient without the exploited, cheap labor coming across our southern border.


How did we do it all those years before the great flood of 1988 and the very beginning of the construction boom. They traded craftsmanship, for cheap labor and hung the Americans out to dry. You never heard of shoddy construction, before, as you do now and they all scratch thier heads and wonder why.
The U.S. is not self sufficient right now, why would you think removing all illegal aliens would make it so.

What I think is more likely to happen if IA are all run out is (not that U.S. will implode, but) that a lot of the goods and some of the services that are manufactured/performed here by IA are going to be imported. Price of food would go up because farm worker feel entitled of more money than they are worthed. So it will be better to buy from another country. I'm sure Walmart, Target, and other big groceries stores will not miss a heartbeat when switching to a more economical alternative.

Maybe some service people who do service jobs will get some more work, but those usually do not lead to any exports. So the U.S. imports will grow at a faster pace than the exports.

After all a very important point that made the U.S. what it is right now is it's ability to create value added products. Here was the technology to transform the basic supplies (like copper, sand) into value added products (semiconductors/chips) and sell them to the same people who they bough the basic supplies from at a steep margin.

Now, since you guys insist on defending the low end jobs, instead of using the lack of them as a motivation to educate yourself. Other nations (read China) will take advantage and start/continue exporting to the U.S. value added products. Kind of what's happening right now. With most clothing, furniture, toys, home appliances, etc.

Make sure, while you guys defend people's right to hold a job cleaning toilets if that's what they want out of life, you don't forget that on the other end of the spectrum, the advanced degrees are being awarded to people from other countries, many of them with no intention of staying in the U.S.
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How things are built now has nothing at all to do with immigration. It has more to do with large companies making things as cheap and quick as possible in order to make more money off the public. In essence we have done it to ourselves. We buy cheap crap and discounted prices and wonder why it breaks. How many people buy everything from their small local store? What is even make in the US anymore? Most go to walmart or Target or other giant stores. Every single person is guilty of buying a cheap foreign made item at these giant stores. It's called demand and supply. We demand low prices instead of craftman ship so the big companies supply cheap stuff to fullfill that demand.
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Yup. It's amazing how many new homes have so many problems, and there are so many homes built in the early 1900's still standing tall because they were built RIGHT.
You’ve got that right. I would be afraid to buy a new house today. My house was built in ’94, and not a single problem. It was an ALL American crew. A Few hunks too, but I digress.

There are beautiful houses in DC, circa 1890’s, that are as sturdy as a rock. Whereas, houses built in the last 10 years are falling apart.
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Now, since you guys insist on defending the low end jobs, instead of using the lack of them as a motivation to educate yourself. Other nations (read China) will take advantage and start/continue exporting to the U.S. value added products. Kind of what's happening right now. With most clothing, furniture, toys, home appliances, etc.

Make sure, while you guys defend people's right to hold a job cleaning toilets if that's what they want out of life, you don't forget that on the other end of the spectrum, the advanced degrees are being awarded to people from other countries, many of them with no intention of staying in the U.S.
So True!! While everyone is yelling about illegal workers from Mexico taking the fruit picking jobs, thousands of high paying tech jobs are being shipped overseas or visas are being given to people to come here and take those high paying jobs. These tech company's are amazingly good at keeping that information foggy while no one is paying attention.
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So True!! While everyone is yelling about illegal workers from Mexico taking the fruit picking jobs, thousands of high paying tech jobs are being shipped overseas or visas are being given to people to come here and take those high paying jobs. These tech company's are amazingly good at keeping that information foggy while no one is paying attention.
We are all aware of the problems with outsourcing and H-1B visas. However, we have 20+ million illegal aliens in this country, many whom displace workers and depress wages. Thus, illegal immigration is a much bigger fish to fry.
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We are all aware of the problems with outsourcing and H-1B visas. However, we have 20+ million illegal aliens in this country, many whom displace workers and depress wages. Thus, illegal immigration is a much bigger fish to fry.
I don't think you are aware of the amount of higher paying jobs that companies have shipped overseas (It's not just the H-1B visas) because our government doesn't even require companies to give that information out or keep track of it. Big companies and they're greedy CEO's have made sure to keep most people, like you, blind from knowing how many jobs and how much money has been shipped overseas. It's better if you focus on the fruit pickers because it helps them (ceo's and stock holders) make a bigger profit.
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