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Old 06-06-2009, 06:28 PM
 
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I donít recall anyone stating that the U.S. is a perfect nation. However, allowing our country to be overrun by millions of foreign nationals will certainly NOT improve it. Itís rather annoying for an immigrant to convey such utter disdain toward a country they have ďchosenĒ as their home. Apparently, you are included among the ranks of those who are only here for personal gain.

There is nothing you can say that will convince me, that unless we grant amnesty to millions of ingrate illegal aliens, we are not a ďdecentĒ nation.
Well, you kind of act like it. So with said I don't see how either stop giving services to illegal immigrants or spending billions to set up a system to deport them will help our nation. It's a waste of taxpayer $.
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Old 06-06-2009, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I was born an American citizen.
Oh, Iím sorry. I thought you said you were an immigrant from Africa.
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Old 06-06-2009, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Well, you kind of act like it. So with said I don't see how either stop giving services to illegal immigrants or spending billions to set up a system to deport them will help our nation. It's a waste of taxpayer $.
I have already stated why we donít need to waste money deporting millions of illegals. All we have to do is enforce our existing laws. By law, they are ineligible to work in this country. If they canít work, they canít survive. If we also eliminate ALL freebies, please tell me, what recourse will they will have other than return home.

They are only able to remain in this country because they are able to work, buy food (or get it from welfare), receive free maternity care, obtain subsidized housing, use our ERís as their primary care physicians; and the list goes on. Eliminate ALL of this, and we will have few illegal aliens remaining in this country.
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Old 06-06-2009, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Every third world nation is like that? Didn't know that. Also that is a large reason as well. Colonialism and neocolonialism is a HUGE factor in the current economic disparity between nations.
Well; care to explain how S Korea, Botswana, Spain and a few other nations were able to build itself into economic powerhouses from basket cases----------yet, most of Africa is still in the gutter?

Remember we are discussing just the last 40-50 years.
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Old 06-06-2009, 08:54 PM
 
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Well; care to explain how S Korea, Botswana, Spain and a few other nations were able to build itself into economic powerhouses from basket cases----------yet, most of Africa is still in the gutter?

Remember we are discussing just the last 40-50 years.
Portugal and Ireland have also shown positive economic growth. Ireland was once the poor man of Europe, now they are turning things around. These countries serve as examples for others. China and India have also moved alot of people into the middle class.
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Old 06-06-2009, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Portugal and Ireland have also shown positive economic growth. Ireland was once the poor man of Europe, now they are turning things around. These countries serve as examples for others. China and India have also moved alot of people into the middle class.
As you stated.
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Old 06-07-2009, 03:26 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, New York
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What about the illegals who have been able to regularize their status and are now legal?
How about a bank robber that gives the money back to the bank? Should they be absolved of their illegal actions??
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Old 06-07-2009, 03:36 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, New York
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Again, cultures share A LOT of similarities. All main cultures (sub cultures and counter cultures not included, though they may have some of these tenents). Work (from Africa to Asia, to Europe, to Latin America etc...all cultures have a work ethic). Education (be it history or formal, there is a desire to educate the young in all socieites). Cooperation.

So with that said, being human is the biggest trait between the different cultures. Sounds self evident when you read it, but you seem to write these twisted analyses of how "Third World" cultures can't cope in the western world. Citing examples of lack of societal guilt (which is not true whatsoever...hence religions, to absolve guilt and do right to fellow man and diety), the possibility of complete subordination of women (which, unfortunately, happen(s)(ed) in all cultures...even our own), reckless criminality (this one really bugs me, it seems as if people believe that the Third World has no morals. Geez).

All cultures aren't equal, but they all share A LOT of commonalities, because they all stem from the same species. All cultures do strive for one thing, betterment.
What I think you may be confusing is the aversion, or in fact the outright refusal to assimilate in this country. Other cultures do it. Africans come to this country and while they are free and proud wearing their garbs and have their ethnic stores and restaurants, they speak english and try to assimilate.
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Old 06-07-2009, 04:40 AM
 
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And as far as racists being anti-illegal immigration, that's rather strange since one of the first groups fighting against illegal workers being brought in was Cesar Chavez and the UFW.

Cesar Chavez was actually joined in a march to the border by Ralph Abernathy and Walter Mondale -- to protest illegal immigration and lack of border enforcement.

Cesar Chavez was not a racist. He was simply a union organizer who realized that the big corporation farms were using illegals to undercut wages and keep farm workers from having the same labor rights as factory workers and other workers.
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Old 06-07-2009, 04:52 AM
 
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1969

The UFW declared May 10th International Grape Boycott Day. Throughout the year, shipments of California table grapes were stopped in Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, Detroit, Montreal and Toronto. In England, British dockworkers refused to unload California grapes.

Chavez organized a march from the Coachella and Imperial Valleys to the United States-Mexico border to protest the use of undocumented immigrants from Mexico as strike breakers. He is joined along the way by the Rev. Ralph Abernathy and Senator Walter Mondale.
During contract renegotiations, the farm workers union added clauses which called for the regulation of pesticide use and its exposure to the workers.

Chavez and union leaders picketed the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to protest pesticide hazards.

César E. Chávez (1927-1993)
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