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Old 06-08-2009, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Exactly. Amnesty is an endless cycle if illegals are still allowed to enter the country and if employers still hire them. Also, if the illegals become "legal", then the will not be able to afford to work for $5 hour, likewise employers will not want to have to pay benefits, workers comp, nor will they want to no longer have the "power" over their employees, i.e., if you complain I'll have you deported. Thus, a new batch of illegals will come.
Without changes in our laws, you are right. And building a fence isn't going to do a damn thing when the businesses on this side of it are dangling dollars and saying "climb over and it is yours". We need strong laws that REQUIRE (MANDATE) that ALL business and individuals VERFIY that ALL employees are legally here and can legally work and that their IDs say who they really are. And we need sanctions that BITE and bite hard. Multi million dollar fines and jail terms for managers who hire them. And the word "knowingly" needs to be removed from the law. The only defense should be that you verified the employee through INS. And we need a fake proof biometric ID card for everybody.
Only then would I favour amnesty. It needs to be clear that this is the LAST amnesty and no more will be forthcoming and, if we catch you sneaking in here, you are going to JAIL and not just back home.
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Old 06-08-2009, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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What happened in this town is a textbook method that should be followed in towns and cities all over the country. Plants should be raided, hotels and motels raided and construction sites raided. However I swing the other way on the question of amnesty. I favour it for immigrants that sneaked in but have lived here, worked and not caused any trouble with the law. But only if it followed up by STRONG laws and actions like this against employers who hire anybody not in the country LEGALLY.
To run with your ball further: said 'amnesty' applicants had be prepared to face the full wrath of the US justice system as in possible jail time, etc. for ID theft, etc. Why I say that is if a US citizen can/will be punished for the above---------illegals must not receive a free pass.

Trust me: such measures would flush out/disqualify 80-90% of all illegal aliens for obvious reasons.
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Old 06-08-2009, 06:43 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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As soon as you give them amnesty, they will no longer be desired as the cheap labor, and the next wave comes over illegally to take their place.
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Old 06-08-2009, 08:16 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Exactly. Amnesty is an endless cycle if illegals are still allowed to enter the country and if employers still hire them. Also, if the illegals become "legal", then the will not be able to afford to work for $5 hour, likewise employers will not want to have to pay benefits, workers comp, nor will they want to no longer have the "power" over their employees, i.e., if you complain I'll have you deported. Thus, a new batch of illegals will come.
The California Labor Commissioner allows and encourages illegal aliens to file complaints about "unfair workplace treatment." Yup, in Mexifornia, illegal aliens have the same rights as its citizens.

And we wonder why this state is on the verge of collapse.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:46 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The one thing every Pro-Illegal dances around is that any person, from any Country can become an American by going about it as the process is laid out.
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Old 06-09-2009, 01:07 AM
 
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That is a horrible thing. However, speaking as someone who has a brother that is intimately familiar with the US judicial system I must say that he has been stripped search more then a few times, he had been held in a county jail for close to a year while awaiting trial, and he certainly is seperated from his children.
You make choices in life, you take risks. The illegals that get caught took the risk by coming to the US that they may be jailed, searched and deported. As to why the womans son was adopted --- I call bs on that one. As someone who has adopted I am telling you that there is no way the state can 'steal' a womans baby and adopt it out without her permission. Unless her parental rights were terminated, if so there is more to the story then she is saying. After all, the state does not terminate female prisoners parental rights unless abuse and/or severe neglect was involved. I highly suspect that this is the case with the woman in the story.
Yes it is a terrible thing Camping and I have a feeling you are right in regards to terminating parental rights for the mother. I think I remember reading somewhere that the company was charged for violation of child labor laws or something of that sort. It could be that this mother was taking her child with her to work. Who knows, but I do think you are right, now that I remember working with the family law courts.

I am not against ICE doing their job. I am against abuse of any kind and against treating people in inhumane ways. There was no reason why these people should have been treated that way simply because they were illegal. Our US criminals are also protected by laws, these people should not be the exception.
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Old 06-09-2009, 01:12 AM
 
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Interesting story...but is it 'typical' of anything? I doubt that. It's simply an interesting story.

Postville has been in the 'spotlight' as far as 'culture clash' for some time now. Originally, the news was that a defunct packing plant, in a quintessentially insular 'midwest American' backwater, was bought by a group of Hasidic Jews ('Lubavitchers') from Brooklyn, NY, and turned into the largest kosher operation (as I recall) in the Western hemisphere. The culture clashes between the 'old time' Iowans and the 'new' families was remarkable. In addition, these new owners, in addition to hiring 'local' help, also imported people from as far away as Ukraine and Russia (MORE culture clash)..many of them illegal.

That was some years ago....and apparently now, the controversy is over HISPANIC illegals. Nevetheless, I doubt this story is indicative of anything 'typical'.

In closing, I can only wonder...IF we agree that illegal immigration is illegal....and IF we have the right to ever 'do anything' about it..then how DO you enforce a law, while at the same time guaranteeing that those who have BROKEN that law, will be 'happy' with the enforcement? I don't see how it's possible...you enforce a law, and almost always, the 'lawbreakers' aren't going to be happy. Can anyone suggest a way we can lower the numbers of illegals here, and do so in a way that will be 'liked' by those illegals?
As long as we still keep our border open and we have laws that aid illegal immigrants to obtain residency after a period of time, we will not accomplish our mission. If we legalize illegal immigrants, Americans need to be sure no other law will aid future illegal immigrants. I also think we need to go after the companies that hire them and fine them big time. I think it can be done and I honestly dont think we will have this problem in the future. Its been a long journey for all.
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Old 06-09-2009, 01:18 AM
 
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That sounds like a real tearjerker, but the fact is, those illegals move into towns and legal residents move out. The illegals didn't build that town, they just took it over. Now that they're gone, the real residents might move back in. If they don't, it's the town's own fault because they allowed the illegals there in the first place.
Maybe you didnt read the story well but legal residents and citizens lived there. Illegal immigrants moved in. Citizens complained and a massive deportation took place. This caused other illegal immigrants to move out for fear of deportation. Legal residents moved out for fear of descrimination, harassment and racism. Number of businesses dropped from legal residents, citizen's businesses went bankrupt and now even citizens are having to move out due to no business or way of survival. The town is empty and I have read other reports where citizens now regret the raid. Their entire livelyhood is gone.
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Old 06-09-2009, 01:21 AM
 
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Best thing I've heard all day!

BTW, illegals in California get lots of benefits... especially those who "slip" over the border and drop another child.

That little town has gotten what it deserves for breaking the law. No sympathy whatsoever from us.

To Karma
Karma huh...
Citizens are also complaining there is no business and they too are going bankrupt.
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Old 06-09-2009, 01:26 AM
 
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Illegals are illegal, there isn't a slightly less illegal Illegal just because of a time stamp. They are still either working under the table or using a stolen SS#.
Or a made up social security number which SS Administration knows about but doesnt care.
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