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Old 06-09-2009, 12:56 AM
 
Location: Where laws can be ignored due to political correctness
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Well, the "pro-illegals" would probably acknowledge the harshness of North Korea and even Mexico to their illegal immigrants, but still say the US needs to change what it is doing.
Of course the US needs to change what it is doing.

It needs to secure its borders, enforce its laws, punish illegal alien employers and deport all illegal aliens.

Once the above have been acknowledged and accomplished everything will be changed for the better.
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Old 06-09-2009, 01:40 AM
 
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Wow, North Korea sentenced Laura Ling and Euna Lee to 12 years in their gulags for illegally crossing their border from China. I have seen documentaries on NK prison camps. This is basically a death sentence.

And the pro-illegals say the United States is inhumane? All we want is for the illegals to go home and apply for residence legally.

The illegals don't know how good they have it to be able to sneak into this country.

Laura Ling, Euna Lee Sentenced To 12 Years Prison In North Korea - KTXL (http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-news-lauralingsentenced0607,0,1722709.story - broken link)
I was really angered by the way these two women were treated. I am still praying we can reach a negotiation with K Korea and have them home ASAP. This is trully inhumane but what can you expect from a communist country like N Korea? I wish them well.
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Old 06-09-2009, 02:04 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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Wow, North Korea sentenced Laura Ling and Euna Lee to 12 years in their gulags for illegally crossing their border from China. I have seen documentaries on NK prison camps. This is basically a death sentence.

And the pro-illegals say the United States is inhumane? All we want is for the illegals to go home and apply for residence legally.

The illegals don't know how good they have it to be able to sneak into this country.

Laura Ling, Euna Lee Sentenced To 12 Years Prison In North Korea - KTXL (http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-news-lauralingsentenced0607,0,1722709.story - broken link)
From what I understand there was no intent on the part of these two women to enter NK, it was one accidently. The story they were working on was about China an had nothing to do with NK. NOW NK is holding them as some kind of bargaining chip.
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Old 06-09-2009, 02:17 AM
 
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It seems to be unclear whether they actually crossed the border, or not. In any case, I suspect anytime a foreigner is anywhere near their border North Korea will pick them up, and claim an illegal crossing if they think they can get away with it. What they want is a bargaining chip, and this time they hit the jackpot with 2 Americans.

What about their guide? Why didn't he warn them they were so near the border?
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Old 06-09-2009, 02:43 AM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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Wow, North Korea sentenced Laura Ling and Euna Lee to 12 years in their gulags for illegally crossing their border from China. I have seen documentaries on NK prison camps. This is basically a death sentence.

And the pro-illegals say the United States is inhumane? All we want is for the illegals to go home and apply for residence legally.

The illegals don't know how good they have it to be able to sneak into this country.

Laura Ling, Euna Lee Sentenced To 12 Years Prison In North Korea - KTXL (http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-news-lauralingsentenced0607,0,1722709.story - broken link)
Well, these two criminals are paying for breaking North Korean law.

As much as I disagree with this law, and U.S. immigration law. This serves as an example why cultural differences and motives should be taken into consideration when applying punishment. Had the N.K. government had any sense, they should have just informed the two women that they were on N.K. territory and that they needed to turn back. Unless of course, N.K. had reasons to believe that these two women were spies.
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Old 06-09-2009, 02:48 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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It seems to be unclear whether they actually crossed the border, or not. In any case, I suspect anytime a foreigner is anywhere near their border North Korea will pick them up, and claim an illegal crossing if they think they can get away with it. What they want is a bargaining chip, and this time they hit the jackpot with 2 Americans.

What about their guide? Why didn't he warn them they were so near the border?
I agree, I was only reporting what I had heard reported on The View, the sister to one of the prisoners, Lisa Ling (I think) used to be on The View so its often discussed there.
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Old 06-09-2009, 05:28 AM
 
Location: Indian Trail, NC
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Why be right at the edge of South and North Korea anyway? That was taking huge risks. Sounds like it definitely had to do with NK's goings on. They were reporting on trafficing - was that human trafficing?
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Old 06-09-2009, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Well, these two criminals are paying for breaking North Korean law.

As much as I disagree with this law, and U.S. immigration law. This serves as an example why cultural differences and motives should be taken into consideration when applying punishment. Had the N.K. government had any sense, they should have just informed the two women that they were on N.K. territory and that they needed to turn back. Unless of course, N.K. had reasons to believe that these two women were spies.
Assuming that said women were actually on NK soil when picked up............
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Old 06-09-2009, 11:33 PM
 
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Those women were in the country illegally, but they were NOT immigrants. They were only there for temporary news purposes, not to move in.

Had they indeed been on the wrong side of the border, they should have known the consequences would not be favorable for them.

It's too bad, but they were very, very wrong.

Now if we were that stringent on entry laws, we'd be doing well and doing it WITHOUT illegals.
I'd be happy with some kind of a happy medium. We're the polar opposite of N. Korea, they have the tightest border and immigration laws and we have essentially no border and no immigration laws. Here we have an almost total free-for-all when it comes to borders, almost a "come and take it" sign posted for all to see.
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Old 06-09-2009, 11:35 PM
 
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NOW NK is holding them as some kind of bargaining chip.
Imagine if we were to turn around and do something like that??? 30 plus million bargaining chips. We should be able to get a thing or two from all those.
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